DigitalFoundry - Assassin's Creed: Valhalla Next-Gen Analysis

[cupcake]

the game is amazing and looks great, but the tearing needs to be fixed asap.

[TavishHill]

@ProgStopper

Do you have proof of that proof?

I don’t want to be an asshole man. I just want to make sure that if it’s real, then I can have some expectations for the future.

I’m asking him if he is ok with me sharing that, and will update when he gets back to me. You can 100% take it for certain that the one I posted earlier (not from me, but from someone at ResetEra) is real and accurate, as per his confirmation.

[ProgStopper]

@TavishHill

I’m asking him if he is ok with me sharing that, and will update when he gets back to me. You can 100% take it for certain that the one I posted earlier (not from me, but from someone at ResetEra) is real and accurate, as per his confirmation.

Okay sounds good. Hopefully the tools start getting improved soon. I hopefully imagine that Fall 2021 titles might see the biggest benefit.

Not like much is coming out in 2021 since everything has been shimmy-shammed by COVID.

I can’t think of any 2021 multiplat titles off the top of my head other than Far Cry 6.

[javycane (Javier Ruiz)]

The magic of VRR because I have noticed 0 tearing on my OLED.

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

It’s pretty obvious at this point. Covid has hit hard.

From BC games to enhanced BC games and new cross gen titles. It’s pretty clear that devs didn’t have enough time to optimise each and every console equally.

Many BC games are having 120 fps patch for series X but not for PS5. Why?

Observer has RT on PS5 but not present on series X. Why?

DMC5- SE was supposed to have RT patch on series X at a later date but finally received it on launch and marginally performed better on series X at the end. Also, performance is better on PS5 in other modes. Why?

AC Valhalla has lower frames on series X when compared to PS5. Why?

The answer is simple. Covid has hit hard.

Phil has said it before, he was more concerned about software due to pandemic. Sony is also having issues on OS level.

[TavishHill]

@ProgStopper

Okay sounds good. Hopefully the tools start getting improved soon. I hopefully imagine that Fall 2021 titles might see the biggest benefit.

Not like much is coming out in 2021 since everything has been shimmy-shammed by COVID.

I can’t think of any 2021 multiplat titles off the top of my head other than Far Cry 6.

I’d imagine it will be summer at the latest. By GDC the tools should be basically finalized and in the months after devs will be harnessing them properly.

[Ushay]

Very early XDK is the reason for these performance discrepancies, nothing more.

Game still performs magnificent imo on the Series X.

[MaulerX]

@VanWinkle

I’m sorry you feel that way. I assure you I am not. I am a huge Xbox fan who is tired of being let down.

From the other thread:

@VanWinkle

Right now, we have no hard evidence of anything other than the SX performing worse than the PS5. That’s all the factual info we have. We can all hope that some magical SDK update or some game pathces come along and save the day, but right now, the world’s most powerful console is the PS5.

A few games running slightly better on PS5 this early in the game does not mean what you said at all. Especially when we know MS tools were/are late. If this is not trolling I don’t know what is.

[OneBadMutha]

Getting a lot of complaints from these discussions right now. If you are no longer adding anything meaningful to a conversation but are venting repeatedly, please stop. Feel free to discuss reasons, causes, solutions, etc to the issue. This forum isn’t a venting ground. Other places on the internet for that.

[TavishHill]

@ProgStopper

Do you have proof of that proof?

I don’t want to be an asshole man. I just want to make sure that if it’s real, then I can have some expectations for the future.

Still waiting on John to get back to me, but also found this. This is from a cpl months ago:

“Every single developer I’ve spoken to developing for PlayStation 5 has been evangelizing how easy it is to work for. It’s essentially the same development environment as PlayStation 4 and you scale up from there for the new power, the features and whatnot.”

…

"There’s no doubt that on paper the Xbox Series X is more powerful. However, speaking to developers, the development environment they’re dealing with…some people seem to be extremely happy with it, other people are having problems with it. Microsoft has moved away from what was previously the XDK, which was specific for Xbox, to the GDK, which is a more general development environment for PC, Xbox Series S/X, and Xbox One.

The long-term win with the GDK is that you’re going to be able to develop for and deploy for all of these different systems. But in the short-term, I have heard some developers having some problems with it, and whether all that is going to manifest in final games is the big question."

-Richard Leadbetter

[TavishHill]

@Ushay

Very early XDK is the reason for these performance discrepancies, nothing more.

Game still performs magnificent imo on the Series X.

They switched from XDK–>GDK actually. That is part of the issue.

[OneBadMutha]

@TavishHill

They switched from XDK–>GDK actually. That is part of the issue.

Yep and GDK just went out to big devs. Indies are still waiting according a dev who was on RDX yesterday. There are “problems” with the GDK according to the dev. Next update will be this winter.

I think people need to accept both consoles came in hot. Both pieces of hardware are having challenges in different ways. Devs are having challenges in different ways. Nobody is firing on all cylinders right now. They’re doing the best they can to provide what they have. These things will all sort themselves out in time. In the short term, consumers have a choice to be early adopters and deal with the issues or wait until things are ironed out to jump into next gen.

[TavishHill]

@OneBadMutha

Yep and GDK just went out to big devs. Indies are still waiting according a dev who was on RDX yesterday. There are “problems” with the GDK according to the dev. Next update will be this winter.

I think people need to accept both consoles came in hot. Both pieces of hardware are having challenges in different ways. Devs are having challenges in different ways. Nobody is firing on all cylinders right now. They’re doing the best they can to provide what they can right now. These things will all sort themselves out in time. In the short term, consumers have a choice to be early adopters and deal with the issues or wait until things are ironed out to jump into next gen.

I try to avoid Dealer/RTX…ugh. Guess I’ll check it out.

[Louay]

for tearing screen just mean ubi devs did a bad jop as for the rest of the stuff we can blame GDK for now

[MasterChief]

I want to finish Odyssey before I get this but I would like to know in case that by the time I buy this game the issues aren’t fixed yet will screen tearing be a problem for me if my TV has VRR? Anyway I wonder why MS doesn’t have everything in place yet, I know there’s a pandemic but still what would be a legit reason why their tools aren’t up to speed yet?

[Louay]

@OneBadMutha

Yep and GDK just went out to big devs. Indies are still waiting according a dev who was on RDX yesterday. There are “problems” with the GDK according to the dev. Next update will be this winter.

I think people need to accept both consoles came in hot. Both pieces of hardware are having challenges in different ways. Devs are having challenges in different ways. Nobody is firing on all cylinders right now. They’re doing the best they can to provide what they have. These things will all sort themselves out in time. In the short term, consumers have a choice to be early adopters and deal with the issues or wait until things are ironed out to jump into next gen.

depends when MS solve this issue if this continues to 2022 then it’s huge problem. like most of 2021 games will be cross gen. i think XSX is using it’s CPU at 3.8GHz but without SMT because it’s cross gen title while PS5 use SMT all of the time

[OneBadMutha]

The frame rate disparities are interesting because what that says to me is the CPU on Series X has to work much harder. This is mostly likely due to decompression. Decompression efficiencies exist in both consoles to offload work but my theory is that currently on Xbox, they aren’t using Velocity, sampler feedback, etc. where as devs are getting the efficiency gains on PS5.

It should be reminded that there are some very impressive (on paper) features of Series X which aren’t being leveraged yet. Mesh shaders, VRS, sampler feedback, ML resolution upscaling…these aren’t in play yet. Be patient…or don’t. Just know that Microsoft waited for the hardware and overhauled to it’s new GDK due to their focus on the long game.

[OneBadMutha]

@Louay

depends when MS solve this issue if this continues to 2022 then it’s huge problem. like most of 2021 games will be cross gen. i think XSX is using it’s CPU at 3.8GHz but without SMT because it’s cross gen title while PS5 use SMT all of the time

I don’t believe this continues into 2022. Not like this. There will be consistent updates and upgrades to the tools throughout the gen. If issues like this persist into late 2021, we cross that bridge at that time. No point in hand wringing until then. We’ve been here before. Usually the major strides are made in the first year. This isn’t exotic hardware architecture.

[TheRayTracer]

@OneBadMutha

The frame rate disparities are interesting because what that says to me is the CPU on Series X has to work much harder. This is mostly likely due to decompression. Decompression efficiencies exist in both consoles to offload work but my theory is that currently on Xbox, they aren’t using Velocity, sampler feedback, etc. where as devs are getting the efficiency gains on PS5.

It should be reminded that there are some very impressive (on paper) features of Series X which aren’t being leveraged yet. Mesh shaders, VRS, sampler feedback, ML resolution upscaling…these aren’t in play yet. Be patient…or don’t. Just know that Microsoft waited for the hardware and overhauled to it’s new GDK due to their focus on the long game.

One of the most interesting things is that even without using VA, the SSD loading times in this and other cross-platform games are close, or even a little faster on XSX.

If its that fast now, without using VA, then…this will be a good generation for Xbox.

[Louay]

@OneBadMutha

I don’t believe this continues into 2022. Not like this. There will be consistent updates and upgrades to the tools throughout the gen. If issues like this persist into late 2021, we cross that bridge at that time. No point in hand wringing until then. We’ve been here before. Usually the major strides are made in the first year. This isn’t exotic hardware architecture.

so we should expect better performance when RE VII and FC 6 Drops