XboxEra Community Hangout |OT8| Waiting for E3 2023

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@Ace_Maverick

Maybe, but this will encourage developers to keep with micro-transactions and try to find new ways to implement it in their games.

You act like this is the first mobile game to have a ton of mtx, the entire ecosystem is built on it and has been by far the biggest part of gaming for the past decade.

[Ace_Maverick]

@Knottian

I mean… is it though? Look at how many games have had horrible first impressions that have gone on to become markedly better and a thriving, vast community - Destiny 2, Fallout 76, No Man’s Sky, ESO - to name a few.

Agreed, but still I’ve just want developers to try their best when they present a project for the first time and not have this mentality that we are going to fixed with a patch a later.

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@Ace_Maverick

Agreed, but still I’ve just want developers to try their best when they present a project for the first time and not have this mentality that we are going to fixed with a patch a later.

I absolutely understand and agree, but I look at from the perspective that a bad game doesn’t always stay that way, and developers aren’t destined to fail/fold because a game launches poorly.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Doncabesa

You act like this is the first mobile game to have a ton of mtx, the entire ecosystem is built on it and has been by far the biggest part of gaming for the past decade.

To me something like Dead Space 3 and Ubisoft’s SINGLE PLAYER MTX is worse than those. They get to be $60 premium singel player games monetized like f2p mobile, multiplayer/service games lol

[Ace_Maverick]

@Doncabesa

You act like this is the first mobile game to have a ton of mtx, the entire ecosystem is built on it and has been by far the biggest part of gaming for the past decade.

I know, I just should have say, that am not a fan of micro-transactions at all.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@DARK-PARADISE

To me something like Dead Space 3 and Ubisoft’s SINGLE PLAYER MTX is worse than those. They get to be $60 premium singel player games monetized like f2p mobile, multiplayer/service games lol

Yeah, in the f2p market Diablo Immortal is the norm and not an exception. The bad ones were hitting a while back and thankfully non-stop p2w or pay-to-skip mechanics are not common in full-priced games anymore.

[Ace_Maverick]

@Knottian

I absolutely understand and agree, but I look at from the perspective that a bad game doesn’t always stay that way, and developers aren’t destined to fail/fold because a game launches poorly.

Totally agree with you on that.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Doncabesa

Yeah, in the f2p market Diablo Immortal is the norm and not an exception

Because of the IP. It’s a premium PC/console game IP and people have different expectations for how it’s monetized. I invite people to check Nintendo’s mobile efforts, they had that type of mobile monetization schemes, except people love Nintendo too much to care for long lol

[Vivir]

@DARK-PARADISE

I don’t feel like this is much tbh.

It’s not for a popular IP on a mobile game

[Mort]

@Ace_Maverick

A fool and his money are soon parted.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Vivir

It’s not for a popular IP on a mobile game

Yeah but the game already has 10+ million players. In the $60 model, if they only sell 5m that’s significantly more than $24m, and mainline Diablo easily sells 5m in a weekend if not more.

[Mort]

@Staffy

Or maybe actually Fallout 5 by that time.

[Vivir]

@DARK-PARADISE

Yeah but the game already has 10+ million players. In the $60 model, if they only sell 5m that’s significantly more than $24m, and mainline Diablo easily sells 5m in a weekend if not more.

Nah I agree with you lol

[Ace_Maverick]

@PoderickPayne

But it has been used ad nauseam over the last 20 years, by people who think they are being smart and making an amazing point

…sorry, Ace

[Ace_Maverick]

Todd Kaumans

[Astrakan]

@Ace_Maverick

Crossing my fingers. That doc deserves every award and accolade it can get and more.

[jfsolo]

@Ace_Maverick

Sure, but still first impression is very important.

@Knottian

I mean… is it though? Look at how many games have had horrible first impressions that have gone on to become markedly better and a thriving, vast community - Destiny 2, Fallout 76, No Man’s Sky, ESO - to name a few.

For a lot of gamers the first impression, if it’s negative, never changes. It’s a strange way of thinking to me, but all those games you listed, are still used by many people as games that are bad regardless of the current reality for those games. This thought process poisons a lot of the discourse around games.

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@jfsolo

For a lot of gamers the first impression, if it’s negative, never changes. It’s a strange way of thinking to me, but all those games you listed, are still used by many people as games that are bad regardless of the current reality for those games. This thought process poisons a lot of the discourse around games.

Yet every single one of those games that have exponentially larger communities than their launches… so I’d argue for the millionth time that online discourse means fuck all compared to reality.

[Staffy]

@Mort

Let’s assume TES VI releases four years after Starfield and Starfield doesn’t get delayed further. 2027 could be TES VI, 2031 Fallout 5 maybe.

Good lord my head hurts when I think about how insane far away this all is, Jesus. The time between announcement of TES VI and release is insane already, lol.

[pg2g]

@Staffy

Let’s assume TES VI releases four years after Starfield and Starfield doesn’t get delayed further. 2027 could be TES VI, 2031 Fallout 5 maybe.

Good lord my head hurts when I think about how insane far away this all is, Jesus. The time between announcement of TES VI and release is insane already, lol.

I am hoping got a 2026 TES 6 since its been in pre production for like 4 years, but even if Fallout 5 was 2030 that’s still a long ass time.

Hopefully they hire like wild (or Microsoft throws them part of the COD farm lol)