XboxEra Community Hangout |OT12| The Dirty Dozen

I have my brother’s PS5 borrowed for a while and I’m pretty much hating everything about it that isn’t the games. I was a PS4 owner too.

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At least the controller has great battery life.

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Agree completely.

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This argument would hold if people werent able play starfield at 60fps with weaker hardware than series x.

Absolutely. It will destroy every other game in its genre in the market.

how consistent is it? how is their memory vs. the cpu? what is the total cost? can you build an entire rig to run the game at decent settings and get a consistent framerate?

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I really, really don’t get the feeling that it’s something that’s gonna be patched in later, that’s just what they built the game around. The intention of the game is everything looking absolutely perfect, slow paced motion and filmic, a 60fps probably lowers the presentation to unacceptable levels to their liking. And yeah, while I absolutely would prefer if everything offers 60fps, I can’t condemn developers for not working miracles with $500 hardware.

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Please show me where that happened.

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That’s with the DualSense being an enormous improvement over the previous DualShock and overall awesome but yeah the grip on hand is still not the best. The Dualshock4 was an absolute mess in my hands, I don’t know how that many people managed with that controller being their daily driver for 7 years :sob:

I don’t know who is responsible for the ergonomics design at Xbox hw but I hope they get paid extremely well for it.

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So tired of this conversation, BG3 does not have all the permutations that are possible in A Bethesda like title as varied as it is. In Starfield, you have to have these conversations while in zero-g, while on hundred of different locations, while sitting or standing etc. which is NOT the case in games like BG3 or Cyberpunk as a dev here explains.

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https://x.com/ninjatheory/status/1775917064932274367?s=46&t=O_AGT9SEnlptKOF_2SxtqQ

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You seem to be zoning in on just one of multiple points but I can’t help but feel that way about their animations (as do many others). I feel if they don’t do something to address it going forward more people will pick up on it too.

Even in this first tweet you’ve screenshoted he mentions that he doesn’t see why they couldn’t do something more elaborate… Yes there’s more scenarios but they still need to keep it comparable with competing products.

I’m not sure why you would be against them reducing loading screens, improving NPC interactions and improving animations.

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He then tells you why they don’t do something more “elaborate” with his next statement. And they don’t need to keep shit comparable when the game did as well as it did. People like the games because of the design choices they make (with obvious tradeoffs as mentioned in the tweet). Maybe that doesn’t appeal to you, and that’s ok. But they can’t just change it without changing the way they make and design their games in a monumental way. They can’t just do what “other devs did”. They are not gonna spend YEARS on mo-cap because of what another studio, that has different design goals, did.

And I didn’t say anything at all about loadscreens, or whatever else you tried to mention.

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The rog ally. My cousins pc which has a 2070 can run it at 60fps arbeit sub 1080p res.

The issue is they dont want to make games at 1080p for series x which i find absolutely baffling.

If any Microsoft game was ever sub 1080p the discussion would be even more insane, far worse than this Microsoft 30fps discussion for non-action games. Microsoft doesn’t get the same treatment as Sony or Nintendo. They can’t ever win.

EDIT: Also, Starfield is mostly CPU bound, not GPU-bound, so resolution doesn’t factor into Starfield’s limits on Xbox consoles.

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going live

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While I agree with the CDPR dev that Bethesda’s greatest focus has always been their freedom/exploration, I also don’t think it’s ok for us as fans (or the devs themselves) to simply hold up our hands and say they can’t do more.

I personally have spent hundreds of hours in each of their releases since Oblivion and I can still objectively look at their games and perceive what their strengths and weaknesses are. As I said above the reason I probably loved Starfield as much as I did was likely in part due to my nostalgia for their games and as someone who is used to many of these shortcomings I can often see past them, unfortunately however a new generation of potential customers likely wont and they also won’t have the nostalgia to fall back on either.

If they dont address their weaknesses and stay comparable then they won’t attract new Bethesda fans IMO.

One thing I think we can both agree on is that Bethesda is one of best RPG developers around (if not the best) and I just want them to stay there…

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To what costs? Would a tripling to quadroupling of the budget be worth it? All in some attempt to bring in those folks who haven’t and will likely never play Bethesda titles regardless of what they claim? I’d rather they not pull a Sony that puts the company into questionable financial situation by burning massive cash for limited to no returns.

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https://x.com/TheBlackViking3/status/1776019337532321925 LOL!

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https://twitter.com/JeffGrubb/status/1775923538915955027?t=NVL5sdEYbhYpW7NhQuFBwQ&s=19

Everyone who still has hope for this can rejoice, I guess.

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