XboxEra Community Hangout |OT12| The Dirty Dozen

[howlingmosquito (mosquito)]

@KakkaKarrotKake

I’m pretty sure the last biggest third party GP game was High on Life right?

Interesting that the two biggest games weren’t these uber hyped AAA games but AA/indie games that exploded

Yes. High on life did 7.5 million players total after 4 months.

[peter42O]

@Saten117

Looking at roadmap, 2024 is a lock, most likely more. Obviously, if the game keeps staying on top of the world for months and months, I guess some serious talks should happen, you can possibly steal a significant stake of Pokémon thunder from Nintendo.

Yeah, I agree. If it was up to me, I would just lock it down so I know it’s not going anywhere. Sony has Genshin, Honkai Star Rail and there will be others so to have Palworld is huge for Microsoft and Xbox. They need to take full advantage of the game being massive in my opinion.

[Sparda3g]

One thing I noticed from SoP is that there’s many of “in development.” That doesn’t raise confidence. At least we have windows from DD.

[Saten117]

@peter42O

Yeah, I agree. If it was up to me, I would just lock it down so I know it’s not going anywhere. Sony has Genshin, Honkai Star Rail and there will be others so to have Palworld is huge for Microsoft and Xbox. They need to take full advantage of the game being massive in my opinion.

Their ability and/or willingness to lock down 3rd party properties is not really Xbox thing since a long time ago, the only credible option is buying the whole studio and IP.

Anyway, this game is bigger than those ones for pc/console crowd, they are mobile games at their core.

[peter42O]

@Saten117

Their ability and/or willingness to lock down 3rd party properties is not really Xbox thing since a long time ago, the only credible option is buying the whole studio and IP.

Anyway, this game is bigger than those ones for pc/console crowd, they are mobile games at their core.

Yeah, I know that locking down individual games isn’t really what Microsoft does anymore but they should in my opinion. If it’s a popular game especially one in a genre/type that you don’t really have, they should reconsider that outlook in my opinion. Besides, if they’re going to help them out with dedicated servers and whatnot, they should lock them down at that point.

But whatever they do, they do.

[Saten117]

@peter42O

Yeah, I know that locking down individual games isn’t really what Microsoft does anymore but they should in my opinion. If it’s a popular game especially one in a genre/type that you don’t really have, they should reconsider that outlook in my opinion. Besides, if they’re going to help them out with dedicated servers and whatnot, they should lock them down at that point.

But whatever they do, they do.

I’d evaluate the game from a legal standpoint: if MS lawyers say it’s bulletproof from N, they should use it as their own Pokémon, to each their own. But 99% they won’t, it’s too a 360 times move for these days.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

The cost for Xbox as a smaller platform to buy exclusivity is far higher than it is for PlayStation as a market leader. The R.O.I. rarely makes sense, otherwise they’d do it. Getting the game on Game Pass is far more beneficial for us anyways.

[peter42O]

@Saten117

I’d evaluate the game from a legal standpoint: if MS lawyers say it’s bulletproof from N, they should use it as their own Pokémon, to each their own. But 99% they won’t, it’s too a 360 times move for these days.

Legally, im not expecting there to be any issues. The game was known for years and if there was going to be a lawsuit, The Pokemon Company/Nintendo would have done it already.

@Doncabesa

The cost for Xbox as a smaller platform to buy exclusivity is far higher than it is for PlayStation as a market leader. The R.O.I. rarely makes sense, otherwise they’d do it. Getting the game on Game Pass is far more beneficial for us anyways.

I agree with you Jesse but at the same time, a massive game just fell into their laps and in my opinion, they should take advantage of that by locking it down. Besides, Microsoft is obviously spending money, resources and time by helping them out with Dedicated Servers and whatnot so if they’re already spending money on the game, why not just spend some more to make it a full exclusive?

[Saten117]

@Doncabesa

The cost for Xbox as a smaller platform to buy exclusivity is far higher than it is for PlayStation as a market leader. The R.O.I. rarely makes sense, otherwise they’d do it. Getting the game on Game Pass is far more beneficial for us anyways.

Generally speaking, yeah, but locking down the surprise hit is a sure roi win. They won’t do it, but hypothetically speaking, this would be a win scenario for Xbox, both image and money wise. Also, smaller from hw pieces, not maus, so IDK how much the difference.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@Saten117

Generally speaking, yeah, but locking down the surprise hit is a sure roi win. They won’t do it, but hypothetically speaking, this would be a win scenario for Xbox, both image and money wise.

The ROI is already damned near infinite on this one. They did the thing they need to, get the game that became a cultural zeitgeist on the platform/game pass day one. They don’t need to do a lot more.

[Saten117]

@Doncabesa

The ROI is already damned near infinite on this one. They did the thing they need to, get the game that became a cultural zeitgeist on the platform/game pass day one. They don’t need to do a lot more.

Making it their own Pokémon could be the next step, it’s not like buying exclusives is some bad sin. Imagine if the game holds, Palworld permanently associated with Xbox. Not bad, huh.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@Saten117

Making their own Pokémon could be the next step, it’s not like buying exclusives is some bad sin.

This game isn’t pokemon, at all. And your 2nd point has no need to be said, as no one has intimated otherwise.

[Thebaconlife]

@Saten117

Making it their own Pokémon could be the next step, it’s not like buying exclusives is some bad sin. Imagine if the game holds, Palworld permanently associated with Xbox. Not bad, huh.

I feel like it would be a good move to maybe have xbox themed armor in palworld like sea of thieves does with ships. maybe have like halo themed armor or somethign along those lines

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

@CFGamer

People will rightfully question the lack of first party output from Sony for 2024, but this really does highlight the importance of these third party deals. Your average gamer isn’t going to care whether it’s 1P, 3P, they will just see it as FF7 Rebirth is a major exclusive for PS5 this year.

It’s hindsight of course because Redfall and Starfield were delayed out of 2022, but Xbox really could have used a big third party exclusive or 2 to fill out 2022 without it being such a barren year in the eyes of the wider gaming community.

Exactly right. Avg gamers just play games they like.

This banter of concern over lack of first party and platform going third party by losing its exclusive is just console war talk. Some times it is lite hearted but sometimes it is toxic.

Doesn’t matter to the avg gamer anyway. They just want games.

[Jorge_Alexander_Acos (Jorge Alexander Acosta Duarte)]

@saintsflow20

A reminder that Koei is hoping for 5M sales lifetime which Nioh nor Wo Long has hit. They have very tight Sony marketing this time but I’m seeing multiple people (not just here) saying “Ehh, I’ll wait” or “Wow what are these graphics”. Even I jumped off to wait for a sale on PC.

They seem to be targeting the Tsushima or AC players but the graphics may be a hold-back here.

I could see them reach those numbers with PC but only on PS? No chances.

For comparison, this is how much both Ni-oh games have sold across PC and PS4/PS5:

Nioh Series Sells Over 7 Million Units Worldwide, Team Ninja Announces

So its either releasing on PC faster than expected or the devs are smoking something. Lets not forget this game is competing with what is arguable the biggest game of March: Dragons Dogma 2 (both launch in the same day)

[Jorge_Alexander_Acos (Jorge Alexander Acosta Duarte)]

@saintsflow20

Miles!!!

Putting aside the the game actually did look really good to me though! I had concerns if it was smoke and mirrors because the dev’s inexperience with a big console game but it looked quite a lot more expansive than I thought.

Didnt know these devs are the ones who made Nikke

[Saten117]

@Jorge_Alexander_Acos

So its either releasing on PC faster than expected or the devs are smoking something. Lets not forget this game is competing with what is arguable the biggest game of March: Dragons Dogma 2 (both launch in the same day)

Not even with pc day one imo, those Nioh numbers are lifetime sales of two games with heavy discounts, the 5M target is bollocks for Nioh 4. Also, the setting is no longer “cool” as it was years ago, expecially with the (lack of) fidelity of Ronin.

[Jorge_Alexander_Acos (Jorge Alexander Acosta Duarte)]

@Saten117

Not even with pc day one imo, those Nioh numbers are lifetime sales of two games with heavy discounts, the 5M target is bollocks for Nioh 4. Also, the setting is no longer “cool” as it was years ago, expecially with the (lack of) fidelity of Ronin.

Yeah that too. Nioh games took several years and discounts to reach those numbers and everything so far has point to the RoR getting the same scores as their past games (low 8’s). What happens when/if DD2 scores higher AND you have the PC community plus your own community not paying attention to you? They are practically asking to get horizoned.

[Saten117]

@Jorge_Alexander_Acos

Yeah that too. Nioh games took several years and discounts to reach those numbers and everything so far has point to the RoR getting the same scores as their past games (low 8’s). What happens when/if DD2 scores higher AND you have the PC community plus your own community not paying attention to you? They are practically asking to get horizoned.

DD2 also is not looking super super modern (being an rpg, you can’t boost graphics like RE or DMC), but compared to Ronin it seems cutting edge. Average PS guy will buy DD2.

[Thebaconlife]

@Saten117

DD2 also is not looking super super modern (being an rpg, you can’t boost graphics like RE or DMC), but compared to Ronin it seems cutting edge. Average PS guy will buy DD2.

funny we are talking about team ninja im about to start wolong. I imagine it will be leaving in march. Also playing brotato which is rad