Xbox Game Studios |OT3| Once more....with feeling (Part 1)

[Ser_Bloodraven (Hand of the King)]

@stealthyfrog

The Medium isn’t even published by XGS right? Not sure what impact it is supposed to have on Xbox’s image if it reviews poorly.

Nope and no impact.

[Witchilich]

@ProgStopper

…’t understand though… Like why would you buy Xbox without GamePass? Maybe if your internet is shit yeah, but other than that I don’t understand. Series S is LITERALLY a GamePass machine. It was sold AS a GamePass machine. You’re supposed to buy GamePass when you get it. All Access is sold WITH GAMEPASS. So why all the hub-bub about rising the price of gold when you can just get GPU? Like I get it’s a big more money and if money’s tight, but let’s take that out of the picture. If you Average Gamer, you have the means and money to purchase a gaming console and pay for an online subscription without strain, why on earth would you buy an Xbox without GamePass? Maybe I can’t see pass my privileges, but buying an Xbox Series console without GamePass is like buying gas without a car or vice versa.

Because a lot of us like to own games we play and don’t like paying for subscriptions.

[PhantomFox]

Hey guys, back from playing Yakuza 0 for 7 hours straight. What’d I mis- oh.

[andrew_schmidt (HaloGaming08)]

@Joe_Sinister1

I mean i like to own games too , but sometimes i just like to play a game or try it out. Gamepass is a rental service. I have bought a few games that i downloaded on GP first. The new Streets of Rage being one of them. If you don’t like subscriptions you’d never have subbed to Live to begin with. Now i do 100% agree that keeping FTP games behind a paywall is just dumb however.

Yep

[ProgStopper]

So uh… it’s 7:25 PM PST and I noticed Phil is not playing Destiny tonight.

Hopefully it’s because of emergency meetings.

[Shpeshal_Nick]

@2021ERA

$120 a year for Xbox Live Gold is way too much. Especially considering it’s free for PC gamers. It is just an absolutely terrible decision by MS/Xbox management to raise the price of Gold to subsidize the cost of Game Pass. Sorry but this is inexcusable. MS/XB just need to charge more for Game Pass as that is where the over head is coming from not XBL Gold. Ridiculous. I thought all the terrible decision making was gone with Phil and Nadella at the helm but apparently not…

I apologize about the off topic rant. I still think MS’s best purchase would be Capcom as they make games that are popular in the West as well as Japan.

There’s a thread for this. Take it there.

[brunopcosta1 (Bruno Costa)]

@ProgStopper

So uh… it’s 7:25 PM PST and I noticed Phil is not playing Destiny tonight.

Hopefully it’s because of emergency meetings.

Probably ran out of money to renew his Gold subscription

[Witchilich]

Diverting this thread from the Gold discussion I want to talk about something I mentioned few days back. I don’t post here daily so I missed out on the replies to my post about more Xbox studios using id Tech instead of Unreal Engine. Most of the replies were about how id Tech is only good for FPS games and those studios want to work with Unreal Engine. I think everyone is missing the point.

Most Zenimax studios(MachineGames, Arkane Lyon, Tango Gameworks) use their own variation of id Tech for their games. Before they were bought by Zenimax id Tech was a competitor to Unreal Engine and could be licensed for 3rd party titles, it is very versatile. Valve’s Source Engine is also derived from id Tech. Most SIE studios proprietary engines are based on the engine tech from Naughty Dog’s ICE team. Rather than having to use Unreal Engine more XGS studios should be given the option to modify id Tech for their own needs, I don’t get why we just assume everyone wants to use Unreal Engine. Ofcourse there will be studios like Arkane Austin(or in Sony’s case Bend) that will stick to Unreal Engine anyway. Infact Microsoft should also license id Tech(and other proprietary engines they own) to 3rd parties like Unreal Engine.

[pg2g]

@Witchilich

…mes, Arkane Lyon, Tango Gameworks) use their own variation of id Tech for their games. Before they were bought by Zenimax id Tech was a competitor to Unreal Engine and could be licensed for 3rd party titles, it is very versatile. Valve’s Source Engine is also derived from id Tech. Most SIE studios proprietary engines are based on the engine tech from Naughty Dog’s ICE team. Rather than having to use Unreal Engine more XGS studios should be given the option to modify id Tech for their own needs, I don’t get why we just assume everyone wants to use Unreal Engine. Ofcourse there will be studios like Arkane Austin(or in Sony’s case Bend) that will stick to Unreal Engine anyway. Infact Microsoft should also license id Tech(and other proprietary engines they own) to 3rd parties like Unreal Engine.

I think if UE doesn’t do the job then they should use a different engine. If it does do the job, why shift? UE seems to be on the forefront of technology, it is “standard” so less ramp up time for employees and contractors, MS has a corporate agreement for usage of UE. There seem like a lot of reasons to use it as long as it can get the job done.

I don’t think any team in XGS has to use Unreal, they choose to. It sounds like Forza/Playground use their own engines.

[Witchilich]

@pg2g

I think if UE doesn’t do the job then they should use a different engine. If it does do the job, why shift? UE seems to be on the forefront of technology, it is “standard” so less ramp up time for employees and contractors, MS has a corporate agreement for usage of UE. There seem like a lot of reasons to use it as long as it can get the job done.

I don’t think any team in XGS has to use Unreal, they choose to. It sounds like Forza/Playground use their own engines.

Not every studios can make a new engine from scratch if they don’t want to use Unreal Engine. Sony has ICE Team and Zenimax has id Tech, and they can use that to make their own engine instead of making everything from scratch. They can then customize it more for Xbox hardware like Sony studios do for Playstation.

[andrew_schmidt (HaloGaming08)]

Now we can move on to talking about Xbox studios again

[brunopcosta1 (Bruno Costa)]

@ProgStopper

So uh… it’s 7:25 PM PST and I noticed Phil is not playing Destiny tonight.

Hopefully it’s because of emergency meetings.

@brunopcosta1

Probably ran out of money to renew his Gold subscription

Hey, it was indeed an emergency meeting!

[BlackheartVinyl]

@ProgStopper

This one has me more than a little anxious. Not quite in the “2013 all over again” camp but looking for a picking out a nice house in “This one’s gonna hurt unless fixed soon”-ville.

Really kinda anxious.

Granted it January, so I’m giving myself heartburn for nothing… But damn…

Microsoft is going to have to say something eventually… I mean The Medium comes out on Tuesday. Imagine being the poor son-of-a-bitch posting THAT message on the Xbox Twitter/Instagram/Facebook page.

You can tell your heartburn to fuck off now.

[ProgStopper]

@brunopcosta1

Hey, it was indeed an emergency meeting!

@BlackheartVinyl

You can tell your heartburn to fuck off now.

[TornRaptor]

@UpwardRapier

I’m happy MS corrected this mistake, but I feel like they put a bad taste in people’s mouths, and hopefully they announce something big to make people forget all about this bizarre day for Xbox.

Yep just drop something new from Halo or a new game announcement with gameplay and this will be yesterday’s news so fast.

[ProgStopper]

I’m going back to fuckin’ bed.

This has been one the longest and weirdest days man.

[Shpeshal_Nick]

I’m just gonna start hiding posts if you all don’t start using the threads the way they’re meant to be used. If you wanna just shoot the shit, use the Community Thread, that’s what it’s there for.

[Eduardo]

So how much million players Halo Infinite MP could get on launch weekend now that FTP barrier is gone?

[andrew_schmidt (HaloGaming08)]

@Eduardo

So how much million players Halo Infinite MP could get on launch weekend now that FTP barrier is gone?

Oh thats a tough call

[Mostlyharmless]

@Eduardo

So how much million players Halo Infinite MP could get on launch weekend now that FTP barrier is gone?

It’s hard to say. I think worst case is 5 million players. Who know how big on pc it will be. I have a feeling halo launch Free on steam is gunna be big. Just looking at how mcc did on that platform. 6-7 years after it launched on console mcc did really well on steam.

If I had to guess my conservative estimate is 7 million players first week. But it could be 10-20 if they play their cards right.