The discourse out there is pretty bad after Starfield

[SpiderLink]

@nursegamer20

Dissenting voices are always welcome, so welcome.

I agree in principle, but civility goes a long way.

[nursegamer20]

@SpiderLink

I agree in principle, but civility goes a long way.

Just being civilized lol, even if he is a closet fanboy.

[BRiT]

Friendly reminder, willfully ignoring context and nuance is no way to participate in discussions.

[Kals_Els]

@DerpTax

… This is brainrot to the highest degree, on par with believing there’s an “Xbox Tax”. It doesn’t take any effort to log into Steam and see how many people are currently online AND how many people are playing what games, and what the daily peak was. If, as of the moment I checked stats, 21.6 million people on the platform is “unimportant” (with a peak user count of 29,213,824), Microsoft may as well stop making consoles, because they’ve sold less than that peak number in terms of Series consoles. You can lament that not everyone feels the same about your preferred corporation as you do, but you shouldn’t just make up trash like “Steam isn’t that important anymore” and expect to NOT get checked on that kind of swill. Unless that’s the norm around here.

Even with those numbers, PC as a whole was only nearly half the player base of 11 million for Starfield. So while steam is revelant, Xbox first party games are doing better on Xbox than they’re doing on Steam.

[nursegamer20]

@Kals_Els

Even with those numbers, PC as a whole was only nearly half the player base of 11 million for Starfield. So while steam is revelant, Xbox first party games are doing better on Xbox than they’re doing on Steam.

People always forget that a huge part of those steam users has potato PC’s that could barely run(if at all) Starfield, let alone games like Baldurs Gate 3. They probably use it to play CS Go, which is very popular in developing countries( because it is not a demanding game).

[Kals_Els]

@nursegamer20

People always forget that a huge part of those steam users has potato PC’s that could barely run(if at all) Starfield, let alone games like Baldurs Gate 3. They probably use it to play CS Go, which is very popular in developing countries( because it is not a demanding game).

While true that most PC’s on Steam are on the lower end.

I think Nvidia, AMD and Intels efforts with DLSS(2-3) , FSR(2-3) and XeSS, are allowing games that invest in the tech to run on lower end PC’s with more frequency case in point the Steamdeck and the games it can run when the tech and optimization is present. Starfield has gotten some good optimization options for anyone that doesn’t use mods too.

So even as tech advances what low end now won’t be left behind, and what’s high end now and mid range later would still hold up to the future high end.

[nursegamer20]

@Kals_Els

While true that most PC’s on Steam are on the lower end.

I think Nvidia, AMD and Intels efforts with DLSS(2-3) , FSR(2-3) and XeSS, are allowing games that invest in the tech to run on lower end PC’s with more frequency case in point the Steamdeck and the games it can run when the tech and optimization is present. Starfield has gotten some good optimization options for anyone that doesn’t use mods too.

So even as tech advances what low end now won’t be left behind, and what’s high end now and mid range later would still hold up to the future high end.

Fair, but for now, even the low end gpu’s is expensive so there might be an entry barrier of price( for people who live in developing countries). Also steam deck (or any handheld that is not Nintendo) is still relatively niche rn. That will change in the future as you said, upscaling technology is evolving like DLSS.

[McMasters (Marty McMasters)]

But, nope! There’s no Xbox tax. No sir…

Tell me of another game that’s EVER gotten this many hit pieces for this long. It’s ridiculous.

[IrishXbox]

@Anecronomicon

…p; it’s now reached the point where people are clicking on videos uploaded by ‘content creators’ who’re presenting their opinions as good faith appraisals of a particular games without disclosing the fact they’ve been paid by the publisher. This is scummy, irrespective of the attempts at damage control (particularly in other era right now). Attempting to handwave this phenomenon as creators just ‘getting paid for doing work’ crumbles as soon as we see them all pretending their opinion is unbiased. Ergo how many of the big youtubers & streamers with hundreds of thousands of followers presented a negative opinion of Starfield for ‘legit’ reasons… versus those who’ve got their hands in the Sony cookie jar. That’s a question I believe needs to be asked & no, it’s not a conspiracy theory.

I agree and that’s the trouble with modern gaming media . They’re so terrified of saying what they really think compared to what they fell they need to say to their audience to get likes and subs and make money.

I don’t like Xbox fans playing the victim card all the time mind. Xbox can do better with promoting its consoles and products.

[Cpt_Haddock (Peeeter)]

@nursegamer20

People always forget that a huge part of those steam users has potato PC’s that could barely run(if at all) Starfield, let alone games like Baldurs Gate 3. They probably use it to play CS Go, which is very popular in developing countries( because it is not a demanding game).

Nowadays the series 3000, which are almost all pretty much more powerful than a Series X/PS5, counting the series 2000 too it must be around 50%+ of steam users, and if you compare to a Series S the number grows even more.

But yea, BG3 clearly hurt Starfield’s sales hard there, even if many steam users don’t have a PC to move it, the game still must be at around 10M sales only on Steam, it’s been one of these viral games that everybody talks about.

Also PC users aren’t as much about day 1 as console ones either, and the bad word of mouth Starfield has got didn’t help with sales there obviously

[EPC]

Skyrim has not sold its 50M units Day 1, not even Day 100. People are impatient nowadays.

BG3 is a huge success, but Starfield will be fine. Also, Skyrim did not have Gamepass Users (I play Starfield on gamepass), neither is BG3.

[EPC]

The bad press about Starfield players is also due to MS. Noone beside MS knows exactly the userbase on Xbox/PC, how much it sold, how much it was played before and now. So, people make stories about the only numbers they have, on Steam.

Look at FH5 and its player counter. We know it is arount 30+ millions and nobody dares to attack the success of the game. It is MS fault not to be transparent about Starfield numbers and see the resulting bad press.

[nrXic]

@BRiT

In your rush to post you entitely missed the point of the post, where Steam made up less than 25% of the Starfield playerbase.

I loved how they actually proved that there is an “Xbox Tax”.

This honestly couldn’t have been scripted any better.

There’s hyperbole, strawmen, console war language, and the indication that they’re a console warrior all wrapped up into one nice little package.

[Kals_Els]

@EPC

The bad press about Starfield players is also due to MS. Noone beside MS knows exactly the userbase on Xbox/PC, how much it sold, how much it was played before and now. So, people make stories about the only numbers they have, on Steam.

Look at FH5 and its player counter. We know it is arount 30+ millions and nobody dares to attack the success of the game. It is MS fault not to be transparent about Starfield numbers and see the resulting bad press.

We got a number of 11 million not to long ago, a concurrent number of 1 million across Xbox and PC and Nadella told us that nearly half of all players were on PC making Xbox the biggest platform for Starfield.

We also know Starfield sold well enough to out sell several games that dropped this year, and it’s currently sitting at number 9 best selling game this year.

We have gotten a lot of numbers, Microsoft doesn’t announce them all like with Forza Horizon 5 that we never got a 30 million players numbers for. That number has been generated by us from the estimate of the board being 10% behind, whenever they announced their actual numbers.

[Kals_Els]

@Cpt_Haddock

Nowadays the series 3000, which are almost all pretty much more powerful than a Series X/PS5, counting the series 2000 too it must be around 50%+ of steam users, and if you compare to a Series S the number grows even more.

But yea, BG3 clearly hurt Starfield’s sales hard there, even if many steam users don’t have a PC to move it, the game still must be at around 10M sales only on Steam, it’s been one of these viral games that everybody talks about.

Also PC users aren’t as much about day 1 as console ones either, and the bad word of mouth Starfield has got didn’t help with sales there obviously

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

This is what the current break down is for October 2023:

[Swanlee]

@Kals_Els

We got a number of 11 million not to long ago, a concurrent number of 1 million across Xbox and PC and Nadella told us that nearly half of all players were on PC making Xbox the biggest platform for Starfield.

We also know Starfield sold well enough to put put sell several games that dropped this year, and it’s currently sitting at number 9 best selling game this year.

We have gotten a lot of numbers, Microsoft doesn’t announce them all like with Forza Horizon 5 that we never got a 30 million players numbers for. That number has been generated by us from the estimate of the board being 10% behind, whenever they announced their actual numbers.

I still want to know why anyone should care about any of these numbers for a 100% single player game?

Its just not worth even arguing over. For this game its a disingenous metric used for click bait articles.

[Kals_Els]

@Swanlee

I still want to know why anyone should care about any of these numbers for a 100% single player game?

Its just not worth even arguing over. For this game its a disingenous metric used for click bait articles.

All of this information is used by Microsoft for investors and such, and people are trying to use a half assed version of it to make negative articles and get clicks or run with a narrative.

[howlingmosquito (mosquito)]

@Swanlee

I still want to know why anyone should care about any of these numbers for a 100% single player game?

They’re trying everything. Spider-man 2 did less and theres no numbers for Baldurs Gate to spin…plenty of big numbers for Starfield and Call of Duty.

[Joe_Sinister1 (Joe_Sinister)]

lol

[EPC]

Just based on september sales in US, Starfield is the 7th most sold games of 2023, and this does not take into account Gamepass.

Starfield is anyway the 1st most trashed game of this year by concerned people.