The main purpose of buying publishers could have been to provide content for Game Pass.
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Yep, there were a lot of reasons as to why the 360 was a success and most of them are thanks to SONY screwing thing. That generation was a completely outlier.
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Man, we having a Captain America: Civil War moment here lol. But that is what a forum is, different opinions and not uniform, great to see at least( as long we not attacking each other lol).
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While Sony making mistakes helped them chip away the 360 wasn’t “carried” by that. It had the best games, best online features etc… Stuff like Halo 3, Gears of War, Fable 2, Mass Effect and Bioshock were timed exclusives, GTA 4 having exclusive DLC and Xbox Live being innovative for console gaming was what carried the 360.
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And that would be right if the FTC trial didn’t happen. Where we saw they planned to make all Zenimax content exclusive.
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Is it really exclusive though? I’d argue that this all started with PC.
Series S didn’t help either…
Inconsistent messagging is the key, I rewatched Phil words during Bethesda “welcome to the family” thing and HFR doesn’t check any of the caveats he listed (contracts, legacy, where game pass exists). Nor I believe they let the game ported because Tango wanted so much, it would be 1st time in history a studio under a platform holder dictate strategy. It’s some left field “genius” move like MS sometimes does and then regrets it.
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360 had PLENTY going for it don’t get me wrong, it’s one of my all time favourite consoles but so much of that gen going well for Xbox was because Sony messed up
They released a year later, they were way more expensive, the multiplats ran like trash, their online was free but ass etc and all of those things made it would easier for Xbox to get deals with third parties
First party wise Gears was revolutionary and Halo 3 was a monster but all their other major exlcusives were all timed third party stuff
So again, it was a great system and did plenty to deserve it’s success but we can;t pretend that a huge part of it’s success didn’t come from Sony’s hubris and mistakes
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I’ll probably exit this thread because I don’t really enjoy discussions fueled by emotion. I’ll say that I understand why this bothers some people.
I do think that people believing this will lead to everything going multiplatform are going overboard and the reality will continue to be a ‘case by case’ basis. I think this is ultimately the driver of the backlash because it’d probably not be the end of the world if people really knew how multi platform they will be.
I hope they offer some clarity to the folks that need it
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Yeah I’ve seen this tweet floating around just now too, but how exactly is this proof that HFR is coming for the two platforms? Because of the red and green?
I can’t be too bothered about this shit anymore because if it happens, it happens. But really, if anything it should just be Nintendo and in no way Playstation. If it does happen, and a few more games people should get ready for “is this coming to Switch and PS5 too” whenever new games are announced. HFR is barely a year old.
All these grand plans but the question is, what would happen if it doesn’t gain traction the way they want too, what then? More layoffs, more Activision style “ make games that that makes us money”? Like I said, they have a track record of messing up before.
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Has nothing to do with this topic, and layoffs are affecting the entire industry, it has nothing to do with MS’s “grand plans”
And all three platform holders have a history of messing up.
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This whole thread has been fun to read. finally caught up after 20 min
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If you look the recent State of Play, you will see that PS is carried by exclusive 3rd party or by 2nd party games like DS or the next Kojima’s IP.
Xbox can rarely have deals like that anymore, thanks to Gamepass.
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Im asking a question
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The recent Hi-Fi Rush update introduced platform exclusive shirts (the “Shadow Dropped” is the Xbox one) and there’s one current for Steam and the Epic Game Store, and these were found with those.
And while it was a while ago, Phil during the Bethesda roundtable said he understood the matter of exclusives. That there were some contracts they still needed to honor, legacy stuff too. Am I thinking of a different game or was development for HFR actually canned for PS5?
But if not, that game should not fall under the legacy or the contracts that needed to be honored. This is what the fans don’t like and I do get it.
Assuming of course it turns out to be factual.
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Their grand plan for this generation never materialized (yet) honestly, that could be the reason for this incomprehensible move. Layoffs are a consequence of gaming bubble becoming smaller after covid and standard corporate greed, business as usual.
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Here is the answer: none of that is going to happen
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