Andrew:
According to Phawx, which I agree with, the best you can do in 2024 at 3nm, 15w SOC, is a 8 core Zen at 3.4ghz and 2TF gpu.
So Series S even on 3nm, in 2024, is out of the picture.
Prior to 2025 and sub 2nm, the best you can do is a device half way between One and Series S, like the one suggested by Phawx, or in my OP.
You know 15 watts are required for having around 2 hours battery life
I don’t see anyone playing hellblade on this device at 15watts
It is a compromise device. But you benifit a lot as well. Play all the indies, back compact etc games.
I don’t see this device coming out without those compromise which everyone can point out.
But this device seems worth to me with those compromises as well.
Zappy5
April 11, 2023, 5:52pm
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Andrew:
According to Phawx, which I agree with, the best you can do in 2024 at 3nm, 15w SOC, is a 8 core Zen at 3.4ghz and 2TF gpu.
So Series S even on 3nm, in 2024, is out of the picture.
Prior to 2025 and sub 2nm, the best you can do is a device half way between One and Series S, like the one suggested by Phawx, or in my OP.
I agree - I’d buy one. But I think long term they wouldn’t introduce one because of the very reason that it would really only drive engagement across existing customers. And it would be hard to reach a price point that would grow their base which is what they would want it to do.
And the technical reasons you have outlined. By the time you could arguably hit something that could run series a games at consumer prices….you are probably in 2026 or later in all reality.
No-1HoloLens-Fan:
You know 15 watts are required for having around 2 hours battery life
I don’t see anyone playing hellblade on this device at 15watts
It is a compromise device. But you benifit a lot as well. Play all the indies, back compact etc games.
I don’t see this device coming out without those compromise which everyone can point out.
But this device seems worth to me with those compromises as well.
Folks are so caught up in having a handheld having exactly the compatibility as a on-market console. That has never happened before.
Xbox Handheld can do the next best thing that also has never happened before, having compability with a still supported last gen console. With Xcloud you can have compability with the on-market console too!
Ultimate BC + Gamepass + Xcloud device.
Considering the ROG ALLY is rumored to be $600, the device in my OP might be able to hit $399. At $399 it’s a clear value proposition compared to the Switch hardware wise.
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pg2g
April 14, 2023, 12:53am
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Is the ROG ALLY really rumored to be $600? I’d expect it to be substantially more, like in the $1k range that the AYA devices are in.
Yeah. Phawx is hinting $600.
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pg2g
April 14, 2023, 2:06am
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That’s be pretty amazing, tho I guess Asus has scale (to some degree) on their side compared to AYA.
Damn, 600 bucks would be insane.
BRiT
April 25, 2023, 1:20pm
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Might have some influence, AMD Ryzen Z1 socs for handhelds:
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Please someone tell me that MS and AMD now actively work on shrinking Series S SOC. This thing is 4nm. Doooooo itttt!
Z1 Extreme can handle FC6 at 1080P 50FPS, so it’s actually less powerful than XSS? The 8.6 TLOPS really shocks me.
Either 16 bit or dual issue math.
Also, the ally has freesync.
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Either 16 bit or 12 graphics cores are actually the WPG and it has 24CUs instead
That’s full series S GPU with all active WPGs
Really odd that they would mention 16 bit performance for gaming stats
Edit: It’s WGP and not WPG
Is Asus selling these at a loss?
If so how do they make their money back? They don’t have software to sell like Steam or Xbox
No-1HoloLens-Fan:
Either 16 bit or 12 graphics cores are actually the WPG and it has 24CUs instead
That’s full series S GPU with all active WPGs
Really odd that they would mention 16 bit performance for gaming stats
Edit: It’s WGP and not WPG
It could be RDNA 3 has something like the Nvidia update where they doubled the fp units in their CUs. Doesn’t give near 2x perf, but helps with some workloads.
Na… It’s tricky marketing
They are using 16bit performance to hype up
Rdna3 is already in the market, and if that was the case we would already know
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No-1HoloLens-Fan:
Na… It’s tricky marketing
They are using 16bit performance to hype up
Rdna3 is already in the market, and if that was the case we would already know
AMD directly compared the 8.6 teraflops against the 400 (fp32) docked gigaflops for the Switch.
Why are they using fp16 figures…
Edit: Apparently, AMD doubled the SP units in each CU.
Andrew:
AMD directly compared the 8.6 teraflops against the 400 (fp32) docked gigaflops for the Switch.
Why are they using fp16 figures…
Edit: Apparently, AMD doubled the SP units in each CU.
Yup… That’s the case. Finally read it somewhere
One big thing that I forgot to mention is that Rog Ally has freesync via embedded display port. That is huge.
The device in my OP should be very achievable by the end of this and next year.
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