[PLEASE READ STAFF POST] Microsoft says they have committed to Sony that they will keep Call of Duty and other titles on Playstation "beyond the existing agreement and into the future so that Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love."

Anyone here focusing on ‘other popular Blizzard games’ or whatnot is misguided and will end up disappointed most likely. That snippet isn’t the whole story, so let’s not fall into the trap of cherry picking phrases from sentences, injecting our own feelings and beliefs and desires (hehe) into them, and then ignoring the other 1500 words int he blog post that outlines their actual decision making.

Look how many are now upset because they built their hopes n dreams on the meaning of ‘desire’…lets do better this time! :slight_smile:

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Microsoft is always clear when they can legally give definitive statements. They do not own Activision-Blizzard yet so cannot give 100% clear statements. Is there any confusion about any of their other studios ?

60 percent of the posts on this forum wouldn’t exist if non positive opinions about MS’s decisions weren’t allowed.

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The fact that Xbox and MS are getting ahead of all of this and repeatedly commenting on the acquisition tells me theyre aware there will be more scrutiny for this deal than there ever was for Bethesda, fair or unfair. So theyre going to play nice right now and will not be giving any statements that could be seen as unfair to competitors.

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They should have said it straight away instead of waiting a few weeks and put the info in a blog post. Yeah, that’s on them. We wouldn’t have this discussion if that was made more clear from the start…

Maybe things are evolving fast behind the scenes, but the messaging is clearly messy.

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Even diablo would be weird imo but I guess that’s what makes sense.

Man! Klob just knows how to express ideas clearly and concisely!

love that guy.!

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You say this as if it is not going to be a legally binding assurance…

FTC can kill the deal years from now if they decide MS misled them or otherwise feels the deal was mistakenly allowed to go thru.


Disagree with the last paragraph of @Klobrille’s OtherEra post someone shared here. There being an air of presumed exclusivity is not a ‘problem’ for Xbox at all. In fact that is a boon as it pushes more consumers to their product who might not want to gamble on expecting the games to hit PS5.

Also, the blog post is specifically only about ABK stuff. Not Zenimax, which is what he referenced in his forum comment. The Zenimax stuff is not up in the air, nor are any other 1P games being made. What this tells us is if MS buys a big pub in the future, one that has a material impact on competing systems’ revenues and whatnot, MS will almost certainly apply the same rationales to those company’s games as they are to this ABK deal. It does not mean Xbox games are all going multiplat and I don’t see a whole lot of confusion about that beyond Xbox fans. The headlines are clear that this is for ABK stuff, not everything.

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But That didnt stop Phil from commenting in a tweet or this blogpost from being posted didnt it? Which they never bothered to do with Zenimax ever. They seem pretty clear to me in their intent and if they back out on them it gives them the bad PR they obviously try to always avoid.

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OK, here’s my take on this as a layperson and consumer who doesn’t know/care much about Call of Duty, leaving aside other properties (for all intents and purposes, please assume that by “Xbox” I mean the Xbox ecosystem):

  1. This doesn’t take anything away from me
  2. It’s cool that people who can’t get an Xbox won’t get locked out of games

I think that there are a few differences between this and the Zenimax acquisition and that part of the uproar here is due to the fact that we made assumptions based on how MS are handling that one. It’s super hard to dissociate what we know with what we think we know, especially if we read a lot of discussion about the subject, and it’s jarring when reality doesn’t end up matching our expectations.

The main difference is of course the price tag. I think it was Grubb who said on a Giant Bombcast that the folks at MS ran the numbers on multiple scenarios and decided that the amount of money they lost from exclusivity was worth it. I’m guessing that they did the same thing here and came up with a different answer since the variables are on another level entirely.

The number one thing to remember as a result of this acquisition (aside from this being - hopefully - a lifeline to employees in terrible working conditions, which is much more important than software exclusivity) is that this is a massive boon to MS in several ways, some of which won’t affect us as consumers. But setting that aside here are some positives for consumers off the top of my head:

  1. Many more developers for first-party titles means more day one (and, ostensibly,) quality Game Pass releases

  2. Sharing of new tools and know-how among first-party developers leading to more polished/innovative games

  3. I’m no economist but I think this move will be a big factor in increasing Xbox marketshare which is a win for us because it makes the platform harder to skip for third-party developers, and how competition is usually beneficial to consumers.

  4. I’m no lawyer but I think this will make the acquisition oversight go more smoothly and (admittedly wishful thinking) might open the door for more acquisitions in the near future. This post is already long enough without my going into why I feel more Xbox acquisitions is good for us as primarily-Xbox consumers.

  5. I’m no software developer but I think it will essentially guarantee that the Xbox versions of future games will be held to a higher standard than currently. I don’t know anything about Minecraft or its relative performance across platforms so I could be way off base here.

  6. If you prefer playing on a different box, you don’t have to have a foot in two ecosystems to keep playing this series you like, which is great. I don’t like playing the whataboutism game but I think this is cool and also what is going to happen with Destiny? Don’t care about Destiny so I didn’t look too closely.

If your concern is that this means a primarily PS player won’t have to get Game Pass or an Xbox to play these games then I don’t know what to tell you. I can’t think of a reason to be upset about that. Charitably I guess you could see it as “More people would have to get Xboxes and that’s good for us.” to which I’d answer that I really believe more people will get Xboxes even without exclusivity.

There are plenty of ways Call of Duty: World War Ten could be more appealing on Xbox than PlayStation (better performance, exclusive game pass perks, earlier release) and there’s one we know will be happening no matter what: guaranteed day one release on Game Pass. Yes, MS could just slap down tons of money each year but at one point buying the farm makes more financial sense than buying the milk, you know?

I’m going to assume most people in this thread have a GP subscription or have at least tried it. I think it’s a great service but the biggest malus is the uncertainty. Oh this game looks cool but will it hit game pass, oh such-and-such game hit game pass a year after release so maybe the sequel will too. Not an issue ever again in this case.

I keep seeing in enthusiast circles that Game Pass is the best deal in gaming, but I hardly ever see it mentioned outside of these circles. I have friends who are very hardcore about gaming but only vaguely know about it and never looked into it, thinking it’s like GameFly or whatever.

MS need a huge shift in perception here and having CoD day 1 for ten bucks a month is surely going to catch some eyes if the alternative is seventy bucks. The goal isn’t to make people have to get an Xbox, it’s to make people want or even need to have a GP subscription. Step one is to make people aware of it, and providing a contrast between the two value propositions here is an excellent tool. And every new first-party game they put on there just makes the deal harder to ignore. This will get people TALKING because the vast majority of people who walk into an electronic retailers don’t go in with an allegiance in place, they go in looking to get the most bang for their buck.

Sure, MS are competing with Sony, and converting a user from PS to Xbox means more money in their pockets. So how do they do that? Making the Xbox the best place to play. Better services, better hardware, great software, full stop. When the last generation was drawing to a close, I looked at what both sides offered and decided that Xbox was the way to go for most of my needs. And they just keep getting better, it seems.

At the end of the day, it comes down to this: nobody is immune to making boneheaded decisions; who could forget the attempt at the Gold price hike? We have neither the acumen nor the data Spencer and his team have access to. Given the terrific job they’ve done righting the ship, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Also it’s just games lol

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Not to burst any bubbles or anything but I dont think many people are actually reading this properly.

Obviosuly published to assist with the regulatory process. I may be wrong, but nowhere in the statement does it say that Microsoft want to “bring” titles to the other platform holders, even after the exisiting agreements. It actually says they will continue to “make” them available even after exisitng agreements end and into the future. All that really says is current titles and IP such as Warzone, Overwatch etc wont be leaving Playstation now, after contractual agreements and at anypoint in the future, which is exactly what everyone thought anyway. It actually says nothing about new IP or even just new games in those franchises.

Just as they have stated with Bethesda, games that are currently on Playstation will stay on there, but new IP and even new games in established franchises such as Elder Scrolls VI have already been confirmed to be Xbox/PC exclusive.

I think alot of people are completely jumping the gun here (online in general). We likely won’t get any real confirmation until the deal is done, just like they did with the Bethesda roundtable.

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Theyre saying all of this because there is much more scrutiny on this deal than any other acquisition and they arent going to make any definitive statements that can be make them look bad

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Everyone: I hate how Sony behaves and their methods with exclusives!

Everyone: Microsoft needs to be more like Sony!

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Honestly my only real complaint going forward with the Activision/Blizzard deal will be if Xbox doesn’t allow these new development studios to do new things much more frequently because that makes for more interesting creative games and of course opportunity for some Xbox ecosystem “exclusive” content from that. If they spend $70 billion just to dedicate thousands of talented developers to the COD multiplatform treadmill then that would suck, but I don’t expect that either here.

I agree. Microsoft only talks about ABK and not their other studios, so I do not understand how you can come away thinking there is now a presumed exclusivity problem going forward. Like it or not, but ABK seems like it will be treated differently in the same vein that Mojang is and soon to be Bungie on the Sony side.

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This is no different than Bethesda. All of Bethesda’s most popular games are still available on Playstation too. Take a chill pill.

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They’re not talking Warzone only and gamepass/streaming is not “making available” in this context.

“To be clear, Microsoft will continue to make Call of Duty and other popular Activision Blizzard titles available on PlayStation through the term of any existing agreement with Activision.”

  1. This statement is referring to new titles. “To make” refers to newly created content within the existing agreement period. This means Warzone, Warzone 2 and MW2 and who knows what else (Overwatch 2, etc).

“And we have committed to Sony that we will also make them available on PlayStation beyond the existing agreement and into the future so that Sony fans can continue to enjoy the games they love.”

  1. This statement shows a commitment of newly made titles beyond the existing agreement appearing on PlayStation. Committing to Sony now that they will be available is not an implication of only via game pass or streaming. “We will” make them, not can make them. It does not require effort or agreement on Sony’s behalf (i.e. supporting Game Pass / XCloud on their end). It is a commitment from Microsoft’s end.

“We are also interested in taking similar steps to support Nintendo’s successful platform.”

  1. Reiterating their plan to keep these titles multiplatform and extended to Nintendo’s platform(s), but without the commitment as who knows if Switch 2 can support Call of Duty graphically, etc. But they iterate their interest in doing so should the opportunity arise.

“We believe this is the right thing for the industry, the gamers, and for our business.”

  1. Pretty clear that it is right in their eyes to keep things multiplatform overall. Very simple.
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It’s not. They can tell FTC some AB games will be on Playstation and some won’t. They don’t need to be specific in the fact that the ones that will are the games that came out before the buyout and the ones that won’t will be those that come after.

Unless the FTC specifically asks that in which case, they will just point to Warzone.

Microsoft isn’t obliged to give Playstation anything, they aren’t even obliged to continue selling ABs old games. But they will, because that makes them look nicer in the eyes of the FTC and no-one will buy a console based on games that came out years ago.

Microsoft can make a statement about AB on what isn’t going to change because that isn’t influencing policy.

Phil can say “Call of Duty in all its forms will continue to relase on Playstations for the forseeable future”

They’re not saying that though…because that is going to change

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