Playstation Plus revamp announced, Jim Ryan explains why Sony cannot currently offer day and date games in service

[DARK-PARADISE]

@bcatwilly

…I realize that there are embarrassing takes and gamers on every platform, but good grief the level of “copium” by so many Sony fans with a crappy subscription service “upgrade” is crazy. Jim Ryan is just flat out lying about not putting games into there day and date for his “virtuous cycle” garbage, and he basically tips his hand that it is nothing more than a straight business decision when he says it could change at any time until they likely end up being forced to do day and date later as the industry continues to change. The same fans lapping up that garbage rationale by Ryan would be dunking on Game Pass and saying it was doomed if they had announced day and date games today, with not a second thought that quality was a concern.

It’s unfortunate because that kind of fan behavior leads to companies not doing better.

[Proven]

@DARK-PARADISE

It’s unfortunate because that kind of fan behavior leads to companies not doing better.

Some are more concerned with defending a company/not admitting they are “wrong” than looking for the best value. If Xbox was in the opposite position I would have jumped ship a while ago.

[Daniel]

@Proven

Virtuous Organic Growth

Virtuous Organic Growth Certified Generation Bangers Who Plays Old Games.

Or

VOGCGVWPOG for short.

[Akosii]

@Swanlee

For some reason Sony fans view Sony financial results as more important then their own gaming budget and their own spending.

It is really weird but in a lot of ways Sony fans are not “gamers” they are simply Sony fans and Sony happens to be in the gaming business. I see it on every gaming outlet where gamers talk, Sony fans care more about Sony’s financial success then they do about actual “games” or whatever Value Sony brings to the table.

I mean they just do not get it, somehow they have been warped into thinking that Hardware Sales and revenue reports are the actual “Hobby” part of gaming. The actual “gaming” part is a secondary concern to them if that.

The reason why Apple can get away with BS while having a cult-like following is because they have the cash flow. Sony doesn’t. PlayStation is the only thing keeping them afloat. Except maybe their JP life insurance business, but does anyone really care about that side of their business?

[Eduardo]

@Dom

Sony is essentially turning into HBO while MS is becoming Netflix

The latter model will be dominant across the globe while the former is catered towards a targeted audience.

I don’t even feel the HBO comparison bc HBO Max had day and date movies

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@Proven

I was not expecting much but this is actually less enticing than what I expected. I was thinking they might announce an initiative to put this service on PC, maybe invest in curating a small collection on that platform. Maybe offer discounts for first party games.

It is pretty crazy that Sony is just… gifting Microsoft a victory on the subscription battle. Making a service with all of the complexities of Game Pass takes years of work, and Sony is seemingly not investing yet.

Same here. I think it is obvious they need to put the service on PC, as a whole new audience can be tapped into.

At the moment, I don’t think this will entice a lot more people on PlayStation to subscribe to PS Plus, so I guess Sony is hoping people will subscribe to the highest tier so they can get more money out of them.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Biggzy

Same here. I think it is obvious they need to put the service on PC, as a whole new audience can be tapped into.

There were some rumors about potential PC launcher in the future. Maybe it will be tied in - with PS Now and other features.

[Sparda3g]

Xbox Game Pass

Um…timing?

[Eduardo]

The brazilian price is unbelievable for me

Playstation Plus Deluxe R$ 59,90

Netflix Premium R$ 55,90

Playstation Plus Extra R$ 52,90

Ubisoft Plus R$ 49,99

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate R$ 44,99

Netflix Standard R$ 39,90

HBO Max R$ 27,90

Guess who’s the one that doesn’t have big releases day one?

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Sparda3g

Um…timing?

I hope they drop something big soon, let people perceive the big difference that GP brings, and actually demand better from Sony. If Sony do better in their offering, Game Pass will then also do better. I don’t know why people don’t get this.

[Daniel]

@Sparda3g

Um…timing?

Someone is being cheeky

[leburn98]

@Jeans

Maybe it has been talked about already, but it means Sony will have to match how much Xbox is paying studios for these deals.

It’s not just third parties but all these indie studios that hate how PlayStation are treating them, helping them.

Xbox has worked for a long time with their various programs and they also listen to what these smaller studios want.

It will be interesting to see how PS will manage yo fix these issues.

Unless Xbox significantly outsells PlayStation this gen, I can’t see a scenario where Sony can outbid Microsoft for big titles. The reason why third party publishers are willing to accept a timed exclusivity deal from Sony, or a Game Pass deal from Microsoft was due to how much the PS4 was outselling the Xbox. If all else is equal, Microsoft has to be at an advantage here.

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

@Sparda3g

Um…timing?

I asked for it

[bcatwilly]

The more I think about Jim Ryan’s trash comments about a “virtuous cycle” for their first party games, it really seems like a terrible move to message things that way. You basically just told any other developer or publisher that may want to consider a game release as day and date on the PlayStation service that their games aren’t as high of a quality, and you also gave your own fans a reason to question the quality of your own games if you end up pivoting later to having day one releases at some point as he said was always possible down the road.

Sony, you make nice games that I have enjoyed a number of. But get off your high horse of acting like you have the corner on high quality gaming experiences in the industry. Xbox was the top publisher last year on Metacritic, with a higher average score than ever for a publisher.

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@bcatwilly

Sony, you make nice games that I have enjoyed a number of. But get off your high horse of acting like you have the corner on high quality gaming experiences in the industry. Xbox was the top publisher last year on Metacritic, with a higher average score than ever for a publisher.

I keep saying that Sony and its fan base have bought into their own hype and simply think PlayStation games are on another level to other games.

[BRiT]

@TheBrightestSun

There were some rumors about potential PC launcher in the future. Maybe it will be tied in - with PS Now and other features.

It’ll likely be a Fourth tier, called PS Plus Premium Ultra Extra…

[Proven]

@bcatwilly

…s trash comments about a “virtuous cycle” for their first party games, it really seems like a terrible move to message things that way. You basically just told any other developer or publisher that may want to consider a game release as day and date on the PlayStation service that their games aren’t as high of a quality, and you also gave your own fans a reason to question the quality of your own games if you end up pivoting later to having day one releases at some point as he said was always possible down the road. Sony, you make nice games that I have enjoyed a number of. But get off your high horse of acting like you have the corner on high quality gaming experiences in the industry. Xbox was the top publisher last year on Metacritic, with a higher average score than ever for a publisher.

If Sony ever pivots to day one games they will need to explain how they suddenly shifted to this model they once previously said was unsustainable.

[Proven]

@Biggzy

I keep saying that Sony and its fan base have bought into their own hype and simply think PlayStation games are on another level to other games.

I mean I just heard someone rant that Sony cannot do day and date games because the quality would dip and how Xbox has yet to “prove” they can release quality games on a service… I can’t tell if they believe what they are saying or if its an act.

[SheepDip]

@Biggzy

I keep saying that Sony and its fan base have bought into their own hype and simply think PlayStation games are on another level to other games.

When you’re sadly walking through that forest, it only deepens your satisfaction to know that you paid a premium price of $70 to do so. No game so sad and forested could possibly exist on some hoi polloi subscription service.

[BRiT]

@Proven

I can’t tell if they believe what they are saying or if its an act.

Sadly, most are not smart enough to act.