That’s where I am at too, from a guerranted purchase (as I have bought and enjoyed all the Nintendo systems from SNES and onward) right now I don’t think I am gonna buy this console at all. I payed 50-55e for day one 1st party games on the Switch and now Nintendo wants me to pay 85-90e? are they on crack? well good luck with your new pricing because there’s no way I am giving this kind of money for any game. 
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The 3DS and Switch didn’t release so hot either. There were turning points in both of their lifetimes that ended up with them being considered highly successful.
For the 3DS, a notable price drop was what got the ball rolling, I remember that much. It was starting to look like a dead system until that point.
The Switch just needed great software and that came, resulting in climbing sales.
The second instance is exactly why I think Xbox should have adjusted its plans a bit, but that’s completely off topic and I think we all understand that Nintendo would have more patience than MS.
The Pro is nowhere near a high end PC though - it’s not remotely near.
16GB of RAM when high end PCs have 32 or 64, it’s still really a middling AMD card where the higher Nvidia cards will run rings around it and even more so with DLSS against PlayStation’s upscaling.
It’s the lie PS fans have successfully made the narrative that it’s high end for premium gamers - it’s not, it’s a rip off that for a little more you could build a PC that absolutely smashes it.
I know, because I did - I was going to get one but the price and specs were a wake up call, it’s the same shit Sony and Apple always do - cheap tat with expensive prices and even more expensive marketing…
At least Nintendo don’t generally market their stuff as “elite gamer” but more for families and fun - their pricing is nuts but unfortunately they get away with it because just like Sony and Apple they throw money at marketing and some really fun family / friends experiences like Mario Kart (annoyingly as it’s so much money for those brief few times you can get enough people together to really make it hectic fun)
It’s dreadful. Outdated hardware, overpriced games. Worse pretty much everything. Nintendo is like a worse version of Sony, if that’s even possible.
But one thing Nintendo got right was ‘harvesting’ a very vocally committed fanbase hellbent on throwing money at them.
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It is pretty simple really. Nintendo is the world’s best, most prolific developer/publisher and it isn’t remotely close. Shooters, rpgs, platformers, family games, TBS,you name it. They make the best video games. Of the three consoles - they support the most 3rd party companies in the best way possible - with the exception of money hatting them. They literally saved certain franchises - like Bayonetta. They are the only console maker who make anything remotely novel in the past 15 years. When they make something novel, innovate - it is an innovation on their own innovation - such as the Wii to the Switch. then everyone rushed to copy them (steam deck/rog, kinect, sony ice cream cones). They have the cheapest, most stable subscription/live service. Games enter their sub - then they never leave. They are also stone cold classics. Botany Manor vs Super Metroid. Right.
When they don’t do these things they are punished -mightily. See: Wii U.
Will 150M and counting fans be “harvested” for the Switch 2 - that remains to be seen. I am an ardent Nintendo fanboy who is very disappointed at this turn. I am not going to be harvested in June. I may be harvested later if Nintendo cools their jets a bit when things aren’t looking so rosy. But I can also skip a gen and play the 17,000 Switch games I’ve purchased over the years.
I like my XSX very much. I hope it succeeds ever since Fall '24 MS has been on an absolute tear. I hope they continue and I hope they get more and more fans under their green umbrella and fill the friendly gap Nintendo seems intent on tearing down.
Nintendo is an acquired taste. I mean I totally respect where you’re coming from but whenever someone says they make the best games, I’ll add a caveat here: they make a certain definition of game. I was raised on different notions of ‘best games’. Halo, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil etc. So yeah, Nintendo leaves me totally cold.
I mean I wouldn’t even be having this conversation because I never really pay much attention to what Nintendo does but when I saw the prices and the specs, then no way, consumers need to start sending a message and tell these corpos that these prices are not okay. I mean if Mario Kart World sells millions at 90 euros in Europe… then consumers are in big, big trouble.
I hate what Sony has become and now it’s looking like only Xbox remains as a ‘consumer friendly’ console option. Vive the Series S, basically.
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I am simply looking at them as a whole. They have a regular cadence of every 3 - 4 months with a 1st party game. NONE of those 1st party games usually have any bugs that deter from playing it. Not every game is everyone’s cup of tea - it would be insane to think otherwise - but every game is quality in some way or another. Every game has decent writing that matches the audience. Every game has pretty good fidelity to match the system it’s being played on.
I love every single game you listed out.
To Microsoft’s credit I believe they specifically looked at Nintendo’s pipeline of every 3 months copied that. The gap between Fall 23 (Hellblade 2 released to little fanfare) to Fall of 24 was ridiculous and amateur - and it left a door open for Sony jackasses to swoop in like they do and rain on the parade while Helldivers came out of nowhere and saved the year for the console.
N just seems like a nose to the grindstone get shit done and make it fun compared to everyone else with the exception of Capcom and to a lesser degree new Sega [Atlus]. All developers should want that and hopefully they reap the benefits when they do.
But GD are they are burning the village down. I don’t think the vast majority of casuals they picked up the past 5 years will move with them. Who will fill the gap? Bring back Viva Pinata and create Banjo Nuts and Bolts 2 I say.
All I know, is that the journalists that spent years condemning Game Pass and Xbox, as some sort of evil in the games industry, sure do look like a bunch of corpo tools after their responses yesterday. Saw plenty of ‘yeah the price is high, but who cares?”… I can guess people that actually buy their games care.
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I think you’re misremembering the Switch’s launch… it was Nintendo’s fastest-selling console ever in Japan for the first six-month launch period, and you couldn’t buy one from stores consistently in the US until two years after launch (it eclipsed the PS4’s launch-period numbers). Yes, it definitely ballooned further because of COVID and Animal Crossing, but putting the Switch in the same sentence as the 3DS is a bit disingenuous. The latter was system that was priced so poorly and sold so little in the first year that Nintendo was forced to drop the price by 30% and included five free “Ambassador games” for those that had already purchased a launch model (I know, I was one of them). My hope is that, based on the reaction I’m seeing from actual gamers online, the response will be similar enough to force Nintendo to capitulate again…
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They may do something to get the more hardcore gamers on side again, but unfortunately I suspect they did enough of the games they were all crying out for in the YouTube chat to keep the majority of them happy (as just like Sony, most will be a “defence force” for them anyway - as are a lot of the gaming journalists).
But I suspect it’ll still sell like gangbusters once they do their cute little heart-warming ads showing the features working when the whole family come round and grandparents / parents / kids all play together or someone’s playing over long distance keeping in touch with family while working away / at uni.
They’re annoyingly bloody good at those videos, and they really do seem to work on adults thinking “if I buy this we can have a lovely time at Christmas all playing it together” (particularly as many may remember Nintendo from their own childhoods) - while PlayStation seems to be the default teenager / “casual gamer” choice in the UK, Nintendo definitely has the younger children and family market cornered.
You’d think Game Pass would give a similar family marketing opportunity for Xbox, but I think the fact almost everyone I know has got to experience Mario Kart or similar chaotic fun at a family / friends gathering is what really helps (annoyingly) - you can’t put a marketing price on being the brand associated with those warm fuzzy feelings…
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Of course is not high end PC before the three points on your quote, i said Equivalent for PS players, AKA casual console players, the normal PS player is not about exclusives this and that they are Fortnite, FIFA, COD (now a Microsoft game) there are people that will not game on PC no matter what, and a high high end gaming PC is like 3000 plus dollars, a medium low (for some people) gaming PC, wich for a console Player is a high end experience is on PS5 PRO range, so is a luxury FOR THEM.
FOR THEM, not PC players that shell above 600 just for a gpu alone. Is not a narrative, is a fact i made the calculations:
-CPU AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 170$ Amazon -GPU: RTX 4060 8gb 439$ -Motherboard Aorus Elite 250$ -16 gb ram 30$ -2 tb fast ssd 105$ -Case 50$ -PSU 50$ -CPU cooler 20$
Above 1000$ 1114$ exactly
is Not high end PC but a comparable PC cost about the same (pushing it) or more. A Narrative is “Xbox has no games” and the like. I dont even own a Playstation like a lot of people here. I just dont care about their games, what i have on gamepass is enough and time consuming. But i dont need to and dont like to lie about them like some People do about Gamepass, they can get that point of the value of PS5 Pro if they want. The minority that cares.
But of course there is buy games, etc that in the end a Gamepass subscription is cheaper.
Inflation been high, my problem with Nintendo is not the prices is that Nintendo Development budget probably is not that high. Gears 5 could have been 80 on Xbox one and would be justified just on the technical aspect because it screams expensive.
Plus the Mario Kart thing, i can play on Xbox the Sonic Racing Game that are just as good. Waiting on it. There tons of games equivalent to what both Nintendo and PlayStation first Parties Offer. They are just not as popular, and you can have the same fun.
It also doesn’t help that most of these people probably get their games for free anyway. So yeah, it feels very disingenuous to hear them not have a problem with the price of games when we all know they would be crucifying MS if they had done it.
This industry and the way it’s covered really sucks and is why I find myself caring less and less about it. I love videogames and I’m still going to play them, but I will never pay that much for a game. You can rationalize it all you want, but the simple fact is that I simply cannot afford to pay those prices. And since Nintendo almost never discounts their games, they’re kind of making my decision for me.
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Counterpoint: Halo Combat Evolved vs. Iggy’s Reckin Balls.
Boom, roasted.
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does anyone here have the name and number of a good burn specialist mayhaps?
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That motherboard seems a bit over the top, can get one with all the same features really for half the price - interesting to see US prices as in the UK some components are comparable while others seem high.
Surprising as we normally get screwed on pricing but guessing tariffs are causing prices to go up given where it all comes from (really sucks for US gamers - hopefully the moron will be restrained soon enough).
Anyway wasn’t particularly arguing the value proposition - I think Xbox is the best by far, and Nintendo and Sony often get by on the marketing, and in particular Nintendo gets a pass from people often because of the “feels” if you like, where people associate them with early gaming memories or fun at family / friend events.
Was more just triggered by the Pro bit as I see it all the time being in the UK where PlayStation is completely dominant - it does my head in as they get all superior about having the most powerful (and gaming being an expensive hobby not for plebs) when many of us are now gaming on PCs too that wipe the floor with it and use Game Pass or get games much cheaper on PC.
If anything, it’s never been a better time to be a gamer with the Series S, game streaming, Game Pass, PC handhelds and PC components mostly starting to come down and handle more thanks to upscaling - but it pisses me off when journalists and gamers act like it’s some elite hobby and everyone should welcome expensive games etc - so think we’re in agreement lol
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I remember how pious they sounded complaining about xbox one by saying they are looking out for the consumers. Now it’s nintendo the consumers don’t matter?
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I was really excited for the Switch 2 but like others have said I will likely be waiting for gen 2.
The one thing I really liked about the current Switch is the battery life, for a handheld you want a good 3-4 hours minimum as the sweet spot. However from what I’ve read your lucky to get 2 hours on this thing before needing a charge.
Ignoring the game prices, the joy cons and their other accessories are also ridiculously priced this time around which also puts me off immediately.
Game upgrades should be free for first party titles.
The voice chat is the thing that’s really annoying me, they have put a dedicated ‘C’ button on the joy-con however you can only use it with the Switch online subscription.
This must be the first time in gaming that a controller button is locked behind a subscription. It reminds me of BMW’s scummy practices where they put the heated seats/steering wheel etc behind a subscription rather than just being a button like every other car manufacturer.
I don’t think I can go back to LCD either considering this price point.
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The reason they went with an LCD screen is so they can then sell you a Switch 2 Oled model 2 years from now. This is what they do and it works. They treat their customers like shit and their customers thank them for it.
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