No the past games weren’t character action games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, they may changed the camera and the world design (from linear to more like a hub area) in GoW 2018 but it’s still pretty close to the older games.
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Gears 5 progression maybe worse than Halo lol.
And its clear the new story direction didnt click with people either so if they arent staying for the MP and arent playing the campaign then what exactly is Gears doing? A Ponzi scheme to throw away money?
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Gears 4 and 5 have been successful guys, people need to stop with this.
Edit. To continue the success though, there needs to be change
What exactly is success for this franchise? Its not on engagement thats for sure or generating interest in the series.
Yes
Both games sold millions, and most importantly sold XGP subs, Gears 5 especially.
TC have grown to be a 300+ developer, due to the success of Gears. Its just ridiculous to say Gears hasnt been successful
It was successful for the Xbox One era of games, but in the Series era with Big names coming out left and right, they need to be something more, or not it’s their decision.
What sales metric have any of these Gears games smashed compared to their predecessors? Im sure they sell “just enough” that nobody complains about them surely and Im tired of the Gears 5 sold GP subs argument as There is nothing concrete to support that beyond the game having a big launch which can apply to eventually every game that goes on the service.
All Microsoft studios are growing thanks to the commitment to gaming and Its hardly due to Gears And has done just enough to get by. Anyway they got 1 game to prove Gears isnt a fossil of an Ip.
Id hardly call them “successful” since they Just do enough to not be a critical disaster and not enough to make the franchise relevant. An absolute definition of a middling franchise.
Sea of Thieves is a bigger more successful game on game pass than Gears despite having less content at launch and with like a 69MC because of a sustained audience and interest. Forza eclipsed Gears and its not even close anymore and Halo is Halo.
What exactly is Gears bringing to the table?
MS have the internal data, and they decided to grow TC to continue working on the IP. This shows they are successful.
Yea no shit Gears wasnt as big this gen as last. The series was a casualty of the shit decisions Mattrick made.
Xbox use to have the king of both 1st person shooter and 3rd person shooter in Halo and Gears i can see Halo getting back up into the top of FPS Games with Infinite but i don’t see Gears making a comeback Gears 6 will be it one last game in the franchise.
Gears 6 won’t be the last Gears game we get .
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Excuses because Don Mattrick was far gone by the time 4 and 5 rolled out and Gears had been declining before then and the new entries failed to capture people and its been 3 games made by The Coalition already to turn that around. We cant have it both ways for blaming Don Mattrick Hindle and you cant have it both ways by saying Gears was successful and a casualty.
And Gears isnt a huge IP nowadays that requires a single studio solely dedicated to it. No metric when comparing it to stuff like Sea of Thieves, Forza or Halo warrants it
Really what else are we getting than?
I recently revisited Gears 4 as a coop game with the gf. She had a lot of fun but we were both rolling our eyes hard at both the attempts at being funny and the character drama.
The writing isn’t bad in the same way that old PS2 era games had terrible voice acting and hacked up badly translated scripts, certainly. It’s no Code Veronica. But it’s difficult to take anything seriously when the characters show almost no care for any of the danger they’re in outside of occasional “funny” complaints about this or that. Most of the time people just finished chainsawing somebody and having blood splatter on their face then suddenly they’re joking about how Marcus is jinxing them by saying “all clear”. It’s comic book stuff, but not even good comic book stuff. This dissonance is probably worse than what people complained about in Uncharted for years. At least when Drake wisecracked he wasn’t usually covered in gallons of blood after ripping someone’s heart out with his hands or whatever.
Then every now and again the game tries to whiplash hard into serious stuff again for a character beat. I mean this is a problem Gears has arguably always had to some extent - the infamous MARIIIAAAAA cutscene in Gears 2 a close cousin to the problems Gears 4 has. But the characters talking to each other and the general plotting is the weakest part of an otherwise pretty good game.
Separately, I think Gears 4 and 5 locked them into a plot that’s fairly uninteresting for the most part. I don’t recall the dialogue etc being as annoying in 5 as it was in 4, but ultimately we’re still running through this story I just don’t think is evocative or interesting. And I don’t know anybody who does think it’s gripping. The story of Kait’s mom being dragged off to be a new hive queen is whatever. Now Kait is pseudo-Kerrigan too. But it’s just flat, servicable by the standards of kinda middling scifi game plots. I don’t think anything interesting or fresh is being explored here.
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Good post man. Nice seeing another perspective in here about it.
My Gears solution is to finish the new trilogy with Gears 6, and making it a platform like Infinite or even the MCC. Have the multiplayer people at TC plus that 3rd party support studio that works on the MCC keep supporting it. This would leave TC free to do what they want, minus the multiplayer team. This would push them to the single player side, and perhaps they could make one of them action/adventure titles that people keep begging about.
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What game’s cover shooter mechanics has surpassed Gears?
In my view it has been much immitated but no one has actually matched it for the core gameplay loop.
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Yeah, I can agree with this. Gears lacks some bells and whistles, but it’s still the strongest TPS on the shooting alone.
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Of course it is the best, people may don’t like the way the characters slide into cover but I vastly prefer to have absolute control over my character’s action than for example have the soft cover BS of TLoU1/2, that thing is so clunky. I personally prefer to see some more game-y animations if it means I have better and more accurate controls.
Pair that gameplay with the amazing weapon selection Gears 5 has and you have one hell of a game, if anyone plays Gears on easy/normal with just the Lancer and finds the game “boring” then this is not the game’s fault. Some games are really elevated as experiences on the harder difficulties and Gears is definitely one of them (same as Halo which below Heroic is a much inferior experience).
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