This so much. I’m getting tired of people getting upset over games because X isn’t better than Y, we shouldn’t even be looking at that. We should be looking at if the game is fun or not, I feel like no one was complaining about AC:V until it came out it was a worse version.
I seriously couldn’t even see the screen tearing or dropped frames half of the time because I was too busy killing dudes, yeah sometimes I’d catch the screen tearing but I guess it doesn’t bother me as much as others. I know it’s probably hard to believe for some people and some will think I’m damage controlling or some BS but not everyone or everything people say is console wars BS.
All this comes down to the marketing, fanboys see MS announce their console being the most powerful console just sets them up with a big ass target on their head any moment it isn’t the best, which is happening right now. They shouldn’t have marketed the console as the most powerful even if it is because this shit was always going to happen. It doesn’t help Halo wasn’t a showpiece to most people than this.
I don’t this will matter at all in the long run because if people can forget all the BS from XB1 launch, this is TINY. People also seem to forget we’re in a global pandemic (I know people are gonna moan this is no excuse) which is fucking over everyone.
I feel like this year is a, let’s just release this shit and relax after what this year has thrown at us.
We should all just be enjoying our damn new consoles ffs and leave this petty shit for another time, this isn’t the time to be doing this. If this is happening this time next year then yeah go for it but not right now imo. I really do get why people are upset, that’s because the Xbox marketing team said “most powerful console” which was always going to set up extremely high expectations, which is fair.
Remember when gaming was about fun… hahaha haah ha
Can I correct you here because your post is factually wrong.
Firstly in the reveal DF compared the ‘two week optimised’ performance of Gears 5 to the RTX 2080. NOT the ti.
Secondly Gears 5 on series X runs ultra settings with some settings beyond ultra. And the new global illumination lighting system.
Thirdly on PC the RTX 2080 (the card DF actually compared the series X to) cannot run the game at 4K 60 on ultra settings. See the link below. So in fact on the series X you are getting performance above the RTX 2080 in Gears 5 considering some of the settings are higher the global illumination system is not yet on PC and at an average resolution of 1728p.
So everything revealed initially has been over delivered on by the Colaition and then some.
I see it as series x and S having fuck all new exclusives at launch, hence the demonstration of its power inevitably shifting towards how third parties are running on it, and hence all these comparisons. The reason why PlayStation isn’t suffering from the same discourse right now is because they released two new first party games that hadn’t been seen before and will not be seen on other platforms, hence no comparisons needed to begin with, people were just playing these games. When you had the narrative “oh who cares about having exclusives at launch, Xbox is gonna play the best versions of Valhalla and watch dogs and the like”. In fact, that’s exactly what some of the games media folks did like Benji and Shinobi, who bought Valhalla on Series X just presuming that they’d be getting the better version de facto due to the marketing of “most powerful console”. If Xbox had some big exclusives to show off, absolutely no one would be giving a shit about all these comparisons because the talk of the moment would then be “well, who gives a shit how these third parties are running, it’s gonna take some time getting adjusted to the devkits, but look at these cool dope first party exclusives, goes to show how XGS is gonna utilize the hardware best in the same way Sony studios use playstation hardware the best, Demon’s Souls looks dope, and this [new Xbox exclusive] looks crazy good as well”. This over reliance on third party is what got them into this situation, which I know is gonna improve in the coming months and years, but no wonder some are getting a tad frustrated or upset cuz everything with Xbox right now is “just wait for this” “just wait for that”, it’s the sad reality of Xbox’s late investment in first party and wanting to wait for full RDNA 2. This over reliance on third party at launch has kept producing more doom and gloom when the supposed most powerful console is not really using all that power. Nobody in the casual space even is gonna know about oh devkits are late, they just see the marketing of the console and see a discrepancy between that and how the games are actually running at the moment. That’s where I think it is, a communication issue. Absolutely no one officially at Xbox or any of these studios have come out and said its the devkits problem, it’s all just backroom talk at this point but one that most hardcore in the know folks are aware of. Better communication on this would do good.
So yeah, tldr this is kind of self inflicted due to relying too much on third party to sell your power and that coming to bite them in the back, that’s all. If there were any new exclusives that COULDN’T be compared by definition, no one would be paying as much attention.
That’s just my observation of why we’re seeing all this sudden doom and gloom, not necessarily something that I think is conclusive of Xbox’s future like some seem to be extrapolating.
This 1000%, it’s crap to put all that pressure on third party devs to showcase your console. MS really did fuck up the launch with no exclusives I agree with that.
Yep I get why people are sick of waiting, they’ve been waiting for something good for a long time exclusive wise, but now being told to wait for more. I really do get it.
I seriously doubt casual gamers are looking into this whole situation right now, now if this was happening 2 years from now that’s when the casual market will start to be like wtf. Right now it’s all the hardcore people getting their panties in a twist
In all honesty, I don’t think they do need to come out and talk about why this is happening if it can be fixed and they know it why come out and say there is a problem or X is the reason. I don’t even see complaints or comparisons on mainstream gaming media yet so I don’t think its a big problem.
I feel like they need another Bethesda announcement or just showcase some games coming in the next 1-2 years but then what will they showcase later at like E3 next year if they announce everything now. Halo Infinite has REALLY fucked over this launch, none of this would be happening if it launched and was in a good state because we would all be playing it right now. They really need to clean house in the upper management at 343.
100% on everything. I guess it’s just hardcore audience torchlighting the comparisons to the casual audience on twitter who wouldn’t even care or notice these until they were pointed out, it’s them elevating this situation beyond necessity. Then again it’s always like that fanboys and twitter in general.
But yeah, man, Halo at launch or even a display of it in good shape would have given people a lot more room to breathe and dissuade all this console war panic right now, to say “man, I’m just fuckin loving playing Halo right now”. People don’t notice but what populates a forum at a moment is definitely contingent on what’s the most exciting or what the community is the most passionate about that moment. The last few days have been pretty evident of this. I’m active on this forum everyday, the last few have had no engagement or posts outside these comparisons and that Bethesda cfo news, goes to show how there’s nothing as big on the positive front to offset all this energy being needlessly devoted to this panic. If there was, trust me these threads wouldn’t even need to exist or would phase out into the bottom of the forums.
Exactly what I was referring to above. There’s no positive news coming out to offset all this panic.
I’m very sure if game awards were happening right this moment, everyone would be just excited about that and all the new announcements and have no time and energy to devote to this comparison bs.
No it’s not. Firstly, a PC GPU does not do dynamic resolution. So when they say it’s a port of the PC 4k Ultra settings it gives the impression that its native 4k, as the PC version is, because the PC doesn’t lower the resolution.
So the initial talk was of a native 4k port of the PC version at ultra plus some extras. That’s why people ran with it’s as good as the 2080ti, because of what they said.
Nowhere did they say the XSX version drops all the way down to 1080P, nowhere.
If you don’t think that’s a downgrade of what was originally put out there then that’s on you.
It’s ok to say you are a bit miffed that the resolution didn’t match with what the Coaltion said it was.
That doesn’t mean you are a troll.
That means you expected the game to run at higher settings than it did.
Gears 5 ? i’m not going to lie i was also disappoint to know the game is not native 4k. i mean it’s still old gen game with some high settings not even all ultra settings
Nowhere does anything say native 4K and fact is that the series X is over performing the 2080.
Why can’t you just admit you are wrong on this one. I’ve shown you the PC benchmarks and the initial promise and absolutely everything lines up. It’s in black and white.
I’ve also been thinking what if the reason they have been silent on this so far (since launch) is if the problem is more serious and they can’t yet promise (when) it will be fully fixed. In the end its up to the developers and they can’t make promises for them. But the Thurott article makes a lot of things clear already. But that was in June. A new word on it wouldn’t be a bad thing.
I understand that some guys in here are disappointed about the current situation with the performance of some multiplatform titles but so far the facts are:
SX is the superior hardware.
We are in a fucked up corona world and devs working from home (on what? 6-7 different versions?) is not the easiest thing, the severely lacking/badly optimised SX versions of Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (looking almost identical with the One X version), DMCV: SE (inconsistencies in performance over different modes that make no sense) and Dirt 5 (120hz mode visually is laughably bad that again makes no sense) are proof of this. Devs most likely working on patches improving performance on SX as we speak.
New Xbox tools are behind the competition/devs are not as accustomed to them confirmed from credible sources like Richard from DF.
These are the facts so stay calm guys, this is gonna be a great generation for Xbox and things can only get better from now on both performance and software wise so chill.
‘On par’ should be the f-kin minimum with that hardware. I don’t want to throw around the “lazy devs” but seriously, some of the things makes me question wether there is any testing being done before release.
This is what makes me more certain that this is about the GDK, the PS5 is easy to develop for so a lot more forgiving for a lot of devs. The Xbox takes more work, skill and time and that is probably why it is how it is.
Hopefully that is something that will get better once the Xbox tools catch up. On the other hand we have the DiRT5-guys saying how easy it is and still they underdeliver, so I don’t know what to think anymore.
I’m pretty convinced his commentary has been misunderstood. I think his point is really just about how easily GDK lets you develop games with a single, shared codebase across the various versions/settings spanning X1/X1S/X1X/XSX/XSS/PC. Note that this was THE defining feature of GDK and the reason why it exists in the first place.
He also says in his interview with GamesOnDaily that the tools are not mature (says there are features missing that he wants but can’t discuss it and as per the June GDK leak these missing features sound pretty important for perf) and that they as a team still aren’t really well versed in working with RDNA2 GPU’s or next gen features (said they didn’t have time to explore the features yet).
People gotta stop looking into those PR responses that Xbox Wire puts out in regards to optimizing for the console. They not blatantly gonna go and say “Yeah the toolset is late and kinda rough but we making due!”.
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