XboxEra Community Hangout |OT13| The Bakers Dozen

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@BadNews

Yeah, we all play a part in it, but I feel stuff like using steam ccu to bash games does a lot of damage. I am sure some might’ve given it a shot, but its tough to comeback once your game is the laughing stock. I feel the hate cycle is continuous. Not naming other games, but we’ve seen the damage it has done once the hate cycle starts for a game.

I just hope moments like this makes people cool off on using stuff like this for console wars and other stuff. We’ve all seen what happens once the hate cycle begins

People only care once they see the outcome of studios being closed. So many happily bashed Redfall and then acted shocked when the studio was shut down.

[pg2g]

@BadNews

Yeah, we all play a part in it, but I feel stuff like using steam ccu to bash games does a lot of damage. I am sure some might’ve given it a shot, but its tough to comeback once your game is the laughing stock. I feel the hate cycle is continuous. Not naming other games, but we’ve seen the damage it has done once the hate cycle starts for a game.

I just hope moments like this makes people cool off on using stuff like this for console wars and other stuff. We’ve all seen what happens once the hate cycle begins

It’s all an extension of the console war stuff. Xbox fans hope Playstation doesn’t get a win, Playstation fans hope Xbox doesn’t get a win.

If anything good comes out of this multi platform stuff it will hopefully be a renewed focus on software over us vs them antics.

[BadNews]

@Doncabesa

People only care once they see the outcome of studios being closed. So many happily bashed Redfall and then acted shocked when the studio was shut down.

Yeah, that was the game I was alluding to in my post. Then even something like Hellblade where people are posting steam ccu for a single player game that’s on gamepass to dunk on it. Then it was reveleaed the studio has been profitable. Plus, constant talk if that studio is going to close and whatnot.

Hopefully, both sides calm down with steam ccu and not try to use it to dunk on a game. I feel with many different storefronts and whatnot we don’t know the full story for a lot of these games.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@BadNews

Yeah, that was the game I was alluding to in my post. Then even something like Hellblade where people are posting steam ccu for a single player game that’s on gamepass to dunk on it. Then it was reveleaed the studio has been profitable. Plus, constant talk if that studio is going to close and whatnot.

Hopefully, both sides calm down with steam ccu and not try to use it to dunk on a game. I feel with many different storefronts and whatnot we don’t know the full story for a lot of these games.

It’s all miserable, shitty list-warring that’s pushed by online content creators who lack any real talent so they instead focus on rage-bait and it sucks.

[TornRaptor]

@Good_Old_Collingwood

Are there table flipping opportunities?

I didn’t think so, I and another were close to winning before a rug was pulled from beneath us both. It didn’t matter to me when I lost and I just have the feeling that I want to play more.

[Joe_Sinister1 (Joe_Sinister)]

@pg2g

It’s all an extension of the console war stuff. Xbox fans hope Playstation doesn’t get a win, Playstation fans hope Xbox doesn’t get a win.

If anything good comes out of this multi platform stuff it will hopefully be a renewed focus on software over us vs them antics.

I really don’t think it’s that simple anymore TBH. Yeah there is console war stuff always going on and always will but when it comes to Xbox, the fanbase has felt for years that things have been pretty unfair for you if you’re not in the PS or Nintendo ecosystem.

Console wars have existed since I was a kid arguing on the playground with other kids about Sega vs Nintendo but it wasn’t as toxic as it is now. I mean the term “Xbox Tax” did not come from nowhere! Ever since the Xbox One generation on places like Neogaf where mods went on a straight up crusade against any and every xbox fan, to most of the gaming sites and Youtubers either having a straight up mad on for xbox or just being overly negative on it because it generates surefire clicks. The outright hostility towards xbox and trolling in every xbox related thread ( allowed by the way ) on Resetera. Nearly impossible to discuss on places like Twitter etc. Pretty sure that’s a big reason this site exists to begin with.

I think Xbox fans just want to see xbox get a win , and actually compete the way they used to during the 360 gen. After all the bullshit xbox fans had to deal with because they chose to go with this brand only for Xbox to ( as many see it ) “throw in the towel” , not surprised that morale is super low and there is so much bitterness towards the leadership.

The multiplatform thing won’t ever stop the “us vs them” antics because the gaming media and Youtubers spent well over a decade cultivating it and they aren’t going to stop while it gets them clicks. All they will do is celebrate Sony seemingly having the console arena basically all to themselves ( they don’t count Nintendo for some reason) because lets face it, it’s what they’ve always wanted.

[pg2g]

@Joe_Sinister1

The multiplatform thing won’t ever stop the “us vs them” antics because the gaming media and Youtubers spent well over a decade cultivating it and they aren’t going to stop while it gets them clicks. All they will do is celebrate Sony seemingly having the console arena basically all to themselves ( they don’t count Nintendo for some reason) because lets face it, it’s what they’ve always wanted.

I guess it depends where you are looking. Twitter is going to be a sh*t show regardless, but I imagine places like era will clean up once/if the exclusive stance changes. You already see a significantly different reaction to a game like Doom The Dark Ages than you see other Xbox titles. You already see a change in narrative with Indiana Jones as well.

There will always be some folks out there, but I expect that gaming discussion will no longer be filled with drive bys and trolly posts anymore.

We’ll see though!

[Julia]

@pg2g

I guess it depends where you are looking. Twitter is going to be a sh*t show regardless, but I imagine places like era will clean up once/if the exclusive stance changes. You already see a significantly different reaction to a game like Doom The Dark Ages than you see other Xbox titles. You already see a change in narrative with Indiana Jones as well.

There will always be some folks out there, but I expect that gaming discussion will no longer be filled with drive bys and trolly posts anymore.

We’ll see though!

Yeah, sadly, there will always be a market for Xbox back?!?! Xbox dead?!!?! Xbox evil?!?!?

And you can predict it so easily. There will be a bunch of sites after Shattered Space who say “its good but it just shows how awful the rest of Starfield is” and when it comes to PS5 or PS6 in 1-3 years, they’ll say “this is how Starfield should have launched”.

That being said, you can’t run a business based around bad-faith coverage. I basically just tune everything out unless revenue or MAUs are meaningfully down because those are facts vs. seo farming spin

[Matthew]

So I am back playing Starfield and it got me wondering… what visual modes on Series X do you use as default? I usually use performance prioritise 60 frames but giving visual a go at 30 again

[Kals_Els]

@Matthew

So I am back playing Starfield and it got me wondering… what visual modes on Series X do you use as default? I usually use performance prioritise 60 frames but giving visual a go at 30 again

Visual with 60fps, it runs well enough for me and it doesn’t give me a headache so might as well.

Edit: Wanted to make a quick update, the fps feels a little worse in visual 60fps than I remember(running around New Atlantis specifically), it could be because of mods I have installed or because the latest update came with some performance hit though so I don’t know.

30fps is pretty much the same, so really it’s likely New Atlantis.

[SheepDip]

@Julia

And you can predict it so easily. There will be a bunch of sites after Shattered Space who say “its good but it just shows how awful the rest of Starfield is” and when it comes to PS5 or PS6 in 1-3 years, they’ll say “this is how Starfield should have launched”.

This so much. The backhanded compliment narratives are ultra predictable.

[Sparda3g]

Concord peaked on day one. That’s really bad. I saw one review that practically belittled the art designs and said this isn’t about political stance or whatever, rather how they lack creativity, something no would cosplay, and downright forgettable. It’s rather hurtful.

[Good_Old_Collingwood]

@Julia

And you can predict it so easily. There will be a bunch of sites after Shattered Space who say “its good but it just shows how awful the rest of Starfield is” and when it comes to PS5 or PS6 in 1-3 years, they’ll say “this is how Starfield should have launched”.

Luke Stephens has apprantly returned to Starfield too.

[Julia]

@Good_Old_Collingwood

Luke Stephens has apprantly returned to Starfield too.

What a miserable existence these folks have chosen.

[Julia]

@Matthew

So I am back playing Starfield and it got me wondering… what visual modes on Series X do you use as default? I usually use performance prioritise 60 frames but giving visual a go at 30 again

Visual 30 – the motion blur is sufficient for me and the inconsistency in cities / shadow flicker is annoying.

[Vonterribad (Matt)]

@Julia

What a miserable existence these folks have chosen.

I don’t know who Luke Stephens is, but at 7k views…he isn’t changing the world. He also needs someone to create his thumbnails, because woooof, double down and use comic sans to go with those 90s powerpoint text effects.

[Vonterribad (Matt)]

@Matthew

So I am back playing Starfield and it got me wondering… what visual modes on Series X do you use as default? I usually use performance prioritise 60 frames but giving visual a go at 30 again

As a framerate snob, 30. Which hurts me to say, but whatever they have done it feels good.

(On series s, so if i had x probably would pick 40)

[Matthew]

@Vonterribad

As a framerate snob, 30. Which hurts me to say, but whatever they have done it feels good.

(On series s, so if i had x probably would pick 40)

Yeah literally i usually play exclusively 60 but the 30 on Starfield feels really smooth. I play on favour visuals, 30 fps.

Tbh its kinda put the whole Avowed 30 frames into perspective for me. I was disappointed but the reality is if it can be smooth like Starfield, I just wont care.

I can only speak for myself but the whole agonizing over problems like frame rate locks just sucks the enjoyment out of gaming… going to try and focus less on that noise and more on the actual enjoyment of what I’m playing.

[Julia]

@Matthew

Yeah literally i usually play exclusively 60 but the 30 on Starfield feels really smooth. I play on favour visuals, 30 fps.

Tbh its kinda put the whole Avowed 30 frames into perspective for me. I was disappointed but the reality is if it can be smooth like Starfield, I just wont care.

I can only speak for myself but the whole agonizing over problems like frame rate locks just sucks the enjoyment out of gaming… going to try and focus less on that noise and more on the actual enjoyment of what I’m playing.

Plus, Obsidian aint a tech house. You go to Obsidian for ideas and art. Its always been a jankfest until Outer Worlds and even that looks just fine on the technical side.

[Mort]

@Matthew

I can only speak for myself but the whole agonizing over problems like frame rate locks just sucks the enjoyment out of gaming… going to try and focus less on that noise and more on the actual enjoyment of what I’m playing.

Yes, I can recommend that.

All that noise was one of the main reasons I left pc gaming years ago, it’s annoying how it has become a thing on consoles too. I try to ignore it and focus on the things I enjoy in games. None of which are muh frames, muh res or muh reflections.