XboxEra Community Hangout |OT11| It Goes To 11!

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@saintsflow20

I hope to not sound rude but Sal Romano’s become a bit… “weird” since Sony started going in it’s current direction and the PS5 became more distant from Japan (I bring that up because Gematsu is focused on JP game news)

Gematsu is a fantastic news outlet but all I’m saying is that Sal helping spread this kind of rumor but also making sure to say “I don’t know who this is but whatever” isn’t something he’d normally used to do.

I don’t know anything about Gematsu other than them being the ones that said Kojima was working on Silent Hill, so I don’t really rate them very highly

[pg2g]

@KakkaKarrotKake

Is this in regards to Tomb Raider?

Haha yeah

[Daniel]

@pg2g

I think it’s entirely possible that some of the internal teams GaaS work isn’t panning out, have been cancelled and they are re-focusing on their strengths. And the folks in charge ‘retired’ or were let go as a result.

If that’s true then Sony is about to have a scary bad couple of years, either way not looking too good. Though I don’t trust Sony insiders, especially era ones and I don’t know why people don’t learn.

[Sparda3g]

@Daniel

If that’s true then Sony is about to have a scary bad couple of years, either way not looking too good. Though I don’t trust Sony insiders, especially era ones and I don’t know why people don’t learn.

It’s going to be weird to see PS being in third in profit in the next quarter since everything that feeds CoD feeds to Xbox.

[Boosted_Gear]

This is all a testament to how well MS designed their strategy and their acquisitions, to be able to have so many diverse projects, big games, smaller games, GaaS or single-player, and still being able to make a big profit.

[BRiT]

@pg2g

It might be wrong that they have pivoted, but it was always my thought that the recent staff changes were a result of the GaaS pivot being a failure. Next year or two will be interesting to say the least.

But what about all those startup companies where everyone came together for express purpose, desire, and drive to create GaaS games? Do they refocus to have more campaign focus? If so, that sounds like recipe for a lot of talent walking out the door – they signed up for one thing and ended up working on entirely something else.

Like you say, will be interesting to watch this play out.

[BRiT]

@Staffy

Didn’t people say this about them this year? Yeah, we’ll see.

They’re just like a Cleveland or Detroit sports team - “Next year!” as their reason to live.

[Sparda3g]

@Boosted_Gear

This is all a testament to how well MS designed their strategy and their acquisitions, to be able to have so many diverse projects, big games, smaller games, GaaS or single-player, and still being able to make a big profit.

Their GaaS side already achieved so many. You got sail adventure, racing, survival, battle royal (now), arena shooter (one that recovered greatly), and probably others that I’m missing. They can do nothing but single player games for all they want.

[pg2g]

@BRiT

But what about all those startup companies where everyone came together for express purpose, desire, and drive to create GaaS games? Do they refocus to have more campaign focus? If so, that sounds like recipe for a lot of talent walking out the door – they signed up for one thing and ended up working on entirely something else.

Like you say, will be interesting to watch this play out.

Well, one of them (Deviation) already had their game cancelled lol.

I’m sure they’ll move forward with some, but they basically had every first party studio working GaaS alongside their normal first player games. I would not be surprised if there were changes there. Just my theory though lol.

[BellaBundy (Jacob Boivin)]

@Staffy

…ield. How now that AW2 scored this high there is no way that Starfield will even get nominated for GOTY, since there are only six spots. And if it does, they can then accuse Geoff of the show being rigged. He wants the game to at least get nominated to see the meltdowns by these clowns. One thing is for sure, people act like Starfield is already forgotten, is bad, yet it’s constantly them bringing it up. It’s living rent free in their mind now. I genuinely think it deserves to get nominated, but with everything that has come out this year, I have a feeling it won’t. In a much more quiet year it could easily have been, but I have serious doubts now with all these other titles that did score 90 or 90+. I do find it bullshit though. I am sure Todd and all of BGS and Xbox will sleep fine though.

In some of our recent quieter years, starfield could have won, let alone just be nominated, but 2023 has been an unfathomably good year for gaming.

[biglo25]

MS and Sony have opposite problems where MS has a lot of GAAS and to few SP games with high production value and Sony who does have SP with high production value but barely any GAAS

[strawman]

@biglo25

MS and Sony have opposite problems where MS has a lot of GAAS and to few SP games with high production value and Sony who does have SP with high production value but barely any GAAS

Microsoft has overcome their problem by acquiring a huge number of studios that will release single player games over the next few years.

Sony’s future line-up is a complete enigma tho. Not much to look forward to after this year’s Playstation Showcase.

[Staffy]

@KakkaKarrotKake

Sony are in an odd position, they are market leaders, selling better than ever but aren’t set up well in the long term at all

Iv seen people talking about them buying studios like Crystal Dynamics if Embracer does sell but for what purpose? They already have tons of single player focused studios, I’m not sure what a studio like that would give them

GaaS studios would make sense but I’m not sure what’s on the market they could go for and Sony doesn’t have the cash for the major ones like an EA, even if they did they probably wouldn’t get it passed because of their market position , it’s definitely an odd spot to be in

CD is a studio I’d rather see go to Xbox, to be honest. They are already helping with Perfect Dark, and they are a studio making games that Xbox could definitely use. So if Embracer would end up selling CD and EM too, I hope Xbox will not let that just slip away easily.

@BellaBundy

In some of our recent quieter years, starfield could have won, let alone just be nominated, but 2023 has been an unfathomably good year for gaming.

Oh yes, for sure. This has been an amazing year. I mean if we solely look at scores a game like Hogwarts can easily be nominated for GOTY as well. If there can only be six picks, that’s not easy.

[CryOn]

@biglo25

MS and Sony have opposite problems where MS has a lot of GAAS and to few SP games with high production value and Sony who does have SP with high production value but barely any GAAS

And Sony have a problem that their games are too similar, but for some reason no one will mention it.

[howlingmosquito (mosquito)]

@biglo25

this sure sounds like BS and coping since it a user we haven’t heard before trying to give good spin on a dumb decision

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/17ifmv9/sony_is_reversing_gaas_push_working_with_sega_and/

Its cope.

[Resist]

@BRiT

companies where everyone came together for express purpose, desire, and drive to create GaaS games? Do they refocus to have more campaign focus? If so, that sounds like recipe for a lot of talent walking out the door – they signed up for one thing and ended up working on entirely

Right… you can’t just “pivot” without hundreds of people leaving and potentially studios closing down.

[Sparda3g]

Starting GaaS now is much more riskier than starting single-player now.

[BellaBundy (Jacob Boivin)]

@Staffy

Oh yes, for sure. This has been an amazing year. I mean if we solely look at scores a game like Hogwarts can easily be nominated for GOTY as well. If there can only be six picks, that’s not easy.

Also gotta remember that while the Keighley’s may be the biggest, they aren’t the only group giving out goty awards. I expect to see many different goty’s this year, because so many games are potentially deserving. It wouldn’t surprise me to see RE4 or Dead Space remakes be some smaller publications goty winners. Such a monumental year this has been.

[Vivir]

@Sparda3g

Starting GaaS now is much more riskier than starting single-player now.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@Sparda3g

Starting GaaS now is much more riskier than starting single-player now.

The longer time goes on the harder it will be for new GaaS to be relevant and successful

Everyone can find the time for a new 10-20 hour single player game but people moving from one GaaS to another where they are expected to put 100s of hours into and spend money on MTX when they’re already invested in games like Warzone, Apex or Fortnite is tough

Then there’s the dev side of it, with a single player game, you make it and you move onto the next one but with GaaS, releasing the game is just the start and then you have to deal with the endless season updates, content and maintenance