We are going in circles here. I get people have concerns, at this point there isnât anything ânewâ to discuss so letâs try to not just have the same discussions over and over.
I agree so letâs talk about something else. Howâs Avowed going???
I know you canât about it yet but itâs worth a shot. 
One of Xbox biggest problems has been communicating the values of their product through marketing and this multiplatform move might be the key for them.
Perhaps we can talk about the positives of multiplatform. I think laying the foundation by showing partners how the Xbox features can be helpful. I think if Halo, Gears and Forza are able to explode through this multiplatform play it will encourage other publishers and developers to partake in Xbox features like Play Anywhere and Cloud Streaming. It would be a way for Xbox to convince other publishers and developers that they can get them a bigger userbase and it will be beneficial for Xbox publishing to engage in more third-party publishing like the one done for Ninja Gaiden 4.
It has been confusing. They were trying to be two things at once, sometimes seemingly talking in contradictory terms unless you paying attention.
Take Starfield for example. When Spencer said it exclusive to platforms where Game Pass exists, people conflated that with a console exclusive. What he actually said was that anyone with access to xCloud and Game Pass could play it, which they were trying to put everywhere.
I believe this shift will help clear things up, but there will still be some confusion over their strategy. You can see it now. A lot of folks jumping to the conclusion that theyâre going full third party, but theyâre not thinking about the bigger picture. In Satyaâs words, and Phil has used these terms many times as well, is he thinks about Xbox in content, cloud (streaming, Xbox Live) and community. What theyâre doing still puts them on a path to prioritizing Xbox growth on those terms.
But the average gamerâs head just isnât there yet because many just arenât aware of the cloud. It will probably be many years until we see more game streaming apps on every device with a smooth experience that makes people question why they would buy an expensive plastic box.
Thatâs what some Xbox fans have been saying and that doesnât mean itâs right.
We canât go back to a new console every 5 years simply because it takes most teams longer than 5 years to make a new game, never mind a new console
I keep on seeing you saying how much XBox is bringing in. I like to know how much of that is actual net profit and not just revenue from the Xbox side.
$20 a month is⌠a lot⌠for a rental service, i.e. when someone is comparing it to the value of owning a game outright. I mean look weâre not going to go off a tangent here and make a case for and against Gamepass, Iâm just saying the âaverageâ consumer doesnât actually play that many games anyway. gamepass is ironically for what weâd call more âhardcoreâ players, i.e. people who invest a lot of time in playing video games. But for those whoâre really just interested in playing COD, theyâll buy the game outright. It works out much cheaper over the 12 months of a year than renting it would.
I still believe the real danger for the industry here (& not just an Xbox problem) is rising costs and consumer apathy in the gaming market in general. I think the industry has been coasting on past successes and the demographics of the archetypical âgamerâ has been ageing, fast. Games are too expensive to develop, take way, way too long to release, cost too much now and havenât seen the sort of visual leap many people expected 10 years ago. And the hardware required to run video games (be it GPUâs or consoles) is becoming very expensive as well.
Gaming is a time investment and a monetary one as well. And from what weâre seeing, there isnât the âbillionâ consumers ready to invest in the expensive AAA gaming hobby. In fact thereâs barely a tenth of that number, at most.
Thatâs gamingâs biggest problem right there and itâs a socio-economic one the industry cannot fix because itâs dependent on outside factors (namely the health of western economies and societies).
Iâve said before personally Iâm very interested in seeing how some of these games do now theyâre fully multiplatform. Forza Horizon will do well no question. While it may not be back to their peak years, but if the extra play bases of Switch and PS can bring back some popularity and hype to Halo and Gears (especially as a lot of fans switched during the PS4 era) then that would be good news for the franchises.
If Switch 2 is as successful as the first one then I think itâs a good move for Xbox to be aggressive and establish some of its stuff on there early. Especially at launch theyâll be nothing like FH5 or even MCC collection on there.
Not everything will be a success of course. When you look at PS5 most played and bought there tends to be a somewhat similar pattern to Xbox buying and playing trends and weâve seen a few big name flops over both consoles (ÂŁ60 a pop people still have a finite amount of money). But if the first party quality remains high, plus the hype Xbox games will now get from the media because theyâre multiplatform now 
) I still expect more hits than misses in terms of sales from the extra console bases
Itâs kinda surprising how fast Iâve just accepted that this is the new way for Xbox. I read that apparently Gears Collection and Halo Collection are on their way too. Not shocking at all, but last year I would have said âwtfâ?
And no doubt PS players probably now expect that a FH6 will be day one for PS5 as well, or Gears E-Day after a Gears collection, but I can definitely see a scenario where this isnât the case at all. The plan/intent could be to have PS players give a taste of what Gears and Halo are like and if they want the next Gears immediately, Game Pass or Xbox console is the way.
I think it wouldnât be a good idea to bring the next Gears, Halo etc day one to other platforms. Fable, bring the old ones first, not the brand new one.
And really, if this new direction means Xbox as a whole stays afloat, compared to leaving the business if they stuck to the old ways? I know what my choice is.
As we see more and more games come to PlayStation and Switch 2 I think Iâm ok with this. I donât need a X Box anymore, I donât mind going back to the days of buying games outright and Iâm sure Microsoft will still put games in the PS+ store.
The only thing I will really miss is the controller and I can only hope Sony allows Microsoft to sell a Xbox style controller on their system. The elite controller is my favorite controller of all time.
I accepted it a while back but Iâm glad theyâve basically just said everything is coming
I got tired of endless whining and discourse going in circles, now people can accept itâs al coming
At first I was against it because of the usual reasons like it devaluing the brand or whatever but its clear that the industry is moving in a very different direction than the last 20-30 years and quite frankly, if every year is as stacked for GP as it is this year, Iâm fine with everything going everywhere, they can fund my GP games
Still gonna be weird seeing Halo and Gears on PS though
Higher profit margins for MS than for Sony.
constant? I donât think so, SE is already giving up with exclusivity, the last resort is the chinese games, but I think eventually they will reject it
Whilst I have accepted it too, I still donât like it and will miss the old Xbox. The community will hang on for a while, but just like there is no Take2 or EA fanbases in that sense, Xbox (or rather Microsoft Gaming) will not be the same. I donât trust MS to give a shit either.
I really donât like how this whole thing was handled or communicated, as a fan it has been a very strange ride. I still think it could have been done in a more positive way where most would have been on board.
What makes me the most sad however is how the community turned on each other, Iâve never experienced such aggressive, defensive behaviour from within before. As an Xbox fan I was used to dealing with toxic cultists from PS but I did not expect this, I really didnât.
This is my personal feelings on the matter and Iâm not claiming this is absolutely right, or that everyone has to feel the same.
full psnmorts is real (donât take it to heart)
Same here. Well said.
I am sorry you feel that way. Am on the same boat, this can very likely backfire horribly on them eventually one way or another. You can try so many things for growth but the one thing you must never do is take what you have, your core audence in this case, for granted.
Thatâs what some fans overall feel about the current strategy, because gamepass is not really an incentive to get an xbox if its already made available on PC. This has a lot of ramifications that we could already see take into effect right at the begining of their next generation hardware if they make the same assumptions they made during 2013.
I just fear they are way too early in this and it could blow on their faces in record time.
Devaluing your brand will make it harder for people to gain trust in the ecosystem again and that is gonna be an uphill battle if they donât make genuine considerations for their userbase within the timeframe.
Hopefully they consider this otherwise they are in a rude awakening of a kind that will make Satyaâs be far more aware of what actual customer trust looks like.
I apologize if many donât feel this way, but you cannot deny that they will need to do something really amazing to even think they will gain many users back in time for their next endeavours.
Crazy theory: MS putting everything on PlayStation is just a massive marketing campaign. It could literally shut up every critic on the planet and get PS gamers to actually âlikeâ Xbox games and consider the value of Game Pass. 
Just in time for the next-gen console in 2026⌠which happens to play PS games via Steam⌠while Xbox games stop coming to PS.
Bam! Table turned.