They have more information than we do. If Game Pass was hurting the business it wouldn’t continue to exist as it has, with more investment than ever.
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sacrificing gamepass users for having permanent exclusives, would not change the fud fest man
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Jesse the thing that hasn’t given growth is gamepass and the console base. Why balance putting games on Steam, PlayStation and Nintendo and selling them when you can start to sell them in 2025 on Xbox consoles.
It is hurting them. They are putting games on PlayStation and Nintendo now. They are selling those games on that platform.
My point is that you sell games to Xbox gamers again because you get 100% of the money. If the games don’t sell enough then put it on PlayStation and Nintendo. If Microsoft is looking to recoup money then Xbox gamers give them the $70 they need.
Sell again? They are blocking you to buy the game on launch?
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wtf you are saying, Phil didn’t say the game pass is sustainable?
About the other platforms, it’s more about having more players
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They already answered this question. They either milk their current user base or expand and get other users. But i guess the list war game is a console warriors favorite game
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man are you defending this guy? he did repeated the infamous ps fanboy scapegoat, he did say exactly this “Xbox gamers get a bad wrap for not buying games and not finishing games.”
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It really isn’t a valid question.
Last we had heard GP was somewhere around 34 million subscribers and somewhere around 80% were on Ultimate. Doing quick napkin math, that puts it around 27 million people on Ultimate roughly 7 million on standard or PC.
27 Million users at $19.99 is $539,730,000. Per month. 7 Million users at $9.99 is $69,930,000. Per Month Total $609,660,000 per month. $7,315,920,000 a year.
Now for sake of argument, lets say those numbers are generous, which I will happily grant. Lets say every subscriber is only paying the $9.99 per month. That is still $339,660,000 per month or $4,075,920,000 per year.
They would have to sell roughly 58 million pieces of software at $70 to match that revenue (the 100% @ 9.99 number, mind you). This completely ignores that people are still buying the games, and game pass users are also buying some of the games. I regularly buy things that are on game pass. (The accounting on all of this is obviously more complicated in reality, but this is mean to simply be illustrative)
So no, it’s not really valid. Because that revenue comes in whether there was a first part release that month or not.
The answer to all of this is shareholders want more. They will always want more. And more doesn’t exist in a walled garden. So you leave the garden and start planting seeds in other gardens.
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Ok but what if Xbox sold Fable for $70 and 10 million Xbox console gamers bought the game without gamepass that is $700,000, 000 dollars. Is that a good enough money to keep Fable from getting ported to PlayStation and Nintendo.
It’s not PlayStation gamers that say it is the Leadership team at Microsoft. They want more money. Clearly gamepass isn’t enough.
No there is one more answer to back to selling games only on Xbox consoles. They stopped doing this since 2017.
No it’s about making more money. Microsoft has to pay the salaries of 16,000 employees. Gamepass ain’t pay for everyone
I bought Hellblade 2 and Starfield for Xbox and PC. But clearly they need more money from people buying games since gamepass isn’t on Steam, PlayStation and Nintendo
If you actually believe that Fable would push 10 million consoles, there is no point in discussing any of this with you further.
People say that in the past how Xbox was too early with DRM, Kinect and TV, TV, TV with Xbox One. Maybe Xbox was too early with Gamepass. We are still waiting for Xbox games to be nominated at Geoff’s Game Awards. I don’t understand how Xbox gamers can be upset with Microsoft porting Halo, Gears and Forza to PlayStation and Nintendo and selling it to those Platforms when they don’t even want to sell it to us exclusively without gamepass.
You don’t think so! If Fable gets a 90+ metacritic score and is nominated at the Geoff Game Awards and is a legendary Franchise that was started on the original Xbox developed by the best Xbox studio in Playground Games the Xbox is truly screwed!
No, because shareholders would look at that number and know that there’s still money left on the table from not porting it elsewhere.
The answer to this is staring you in the face. Sony, who have a lot more consoles out there, are still porting their games to other platforms. Not Xbox, sure, but they’re doing it nonetheless. They even cut staff from their most successful studios to keep the money men happy.
Fact is, shit needs to change from the traditional model.
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Traditional single player games are already screwed, on every platform. They’re all propped up by evergreen live service. The sooner you can accept what the industry is now the sooner you’ll understand why Xbox/Valve/PlayStation have all pivoted so hard.
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