Xbox Game Studios |OT9| How many games would a game studio make if a game studio could make games?

[pg2g]

@TheBrightestSun

People will forget about it in a month. I don’t think Microsoft should do anything.

Yup, all Microsoft has to do is have a good Showcase

[Boosted_Gear]

@TheBrightestSun

Yes. For some reason they never have a contingency plan.

I don’t think it is as easy as that, or they would have done it already. They are in the business much more than us.

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@Boosted_Gear

…ng many, like Klobrille saying the same stuff about better planning, is leaving wondering : could MS have done really more in terms of planning ? They really only started putting gaming in a more important place in 2018, with new acquisitions and more budget. Games take a lot of time to make, they had to revamp almost everything, get their pipelines back on track. Buliding a consistent first-party force takes a LOT of time. Covid came and rendered things much more difficult. Delays are inevitable in this day and age if you want the games to come in a good shape. I think MS is doing the best they can right now, given all the aformentioned. I don’t think there could have been better planning, they don’t need us to tell them that because they already know it and are working toward that already.

No I agree.

It is easy for people on the sidelines to say planning should have been better, but rarely say how. Xbox cannot really make games faster, and quite frankly a delay for two of your biggest games is going to be devastating for any publisher and you cannot really plan around it.

Also, he talks about momentum after ABK but I struggle to see how you could maintain it through say Game Pass additions, because the only game remotely gettable and potentially move the needle was DL2, and we all saw how well that game sold.

Xbox is just going to have to muddle its way through the year and ensure Redfall and Starfield are ready to kick off 2023 in a big way.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Boosted_Gear

I don’t think it is as easy as that, or they would have done it already. They are in the business much more than us.

If they did more moneyhats they would have less issue. They just don’t do them because their deals usually include GP Day 1 release and aside second echelon games, companies do not agree to put their big games there.

[Boosted_Gear]

@TheBrightestSun

If they did more moneyhats they would have less issue. They just don’t do them because their deals usually include GP Day 1 release and aside second echelon games, companies do not agree to put their big games there.

I think that still stems from the One generation, it would have been easier if they had a great previous generation, but in the end they are still working with what they can do realistically.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Biggzy

Also, he talks about momentum after ABK but I struggle to see how you could maintain it through say Game Pass additions, because the only game remotely gettable and potentially move the needle was DL2, and we all saw how well that game sold.

They could do more with bigger older games. That’s why I am curious about Sony’s service - Game Pass rarely get huge old release and Sony seems to be hell bent on getting a big back catalog.

@Boosted_Gear

I think that still stems from the One generation, it would have been easier if they had a great previous generation, but in the end they are still working with what they can do realistically.

That’s true. Their position on Game Pass Day 1 releases limits their options.

Microsoft should just continue acquiring more and maybe in the future there will be a critical mass of games

[Hue]

@Jimmy_1984

Please don’t delete my message because i’m not trolling. This is only my consideration: the lack of Starfield in the 2022 line-up Is really bad for Xbox because It have would been their best game from one of the most beloved developer.

Now, i think that there two ways to overcome this situation:

1. show new studio acquisitions: IOI, Crytek, Netherhealm

2. big third party titles on Gamepass at launch: Avatar, Company of Heroes 3, Ryse 2 etc.

For sure the hype for the show Is going down but i wanna be positive.

I’m sure the showcase will be brilliant, although they haven’t confirmed a runtime the 90 minute placeholder alludes to them having lots to show!

There’s no doubt that the leadership team already know they need to hit the show out of the park, with the recent lack of content.

I doubt we will see acquisitions but there’s definitely going to be GamePass day ones and third party deals for sure!

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@TheBrightestSun

They could do more with bigger older games. That’s why I am curious about Sony’s service - Game Pass rarely get huge old release and Sony seems to be hell bent on getting a big back catalog.

I personally think, and Xbox probably has the data that shows it, that day one releases move the needle way more than older games. The problem with getting bigger, older games is that by that very fact millions of people have already played it.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Biggzy

I personally think, and Xbox probably has the data that shows it, that day one releases move the needle way more than older games. The problem with getting bigger, older games is that by that very fact millions of people have already played it.

Well, that’s understandable that new releases drive the subscription. The problem is that if there no big release in Game Pass at all, putting there an older game is an option.

[Thebaconlife]

If xbox comes into this showcase and announces they bought absobo all will be forgiven

[DARK-PARADISE]

@pg2g

Outside of starting even earlier, probably not. “Better planning” pretty often turns out to be a hindsight is 20/20 kind of thing.

I struggle to think of a way they would’ve planned better for this year and be sure about it. It’s not like they can see into the future and know for sure when the games will release. This year they had planned STALKER 2, Starfield and Redfall were projected for 2022, and Forza Motorsport is probably projected for 2022, and supposedly Contraband was projected for 2022. That was their planning, most of the games just got delayed and that sucks.

There’s no backup for this because they didn start earlier like you said. If let’s say everything on 1st party fronts was started in 2017, this year might have some games that were dealyed from 2021.

[KanyeSatoko]

“Microsoft has to announce studio purchases to get over this” No acquisition or partnership announcement that isn’t immediately tangible will fill the gap that Radfall and Starfield left. Big deals and third-party games at the Game Pass launch can alleviate this.

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@KanyeSatoko

“Microsoft has to announce studio purchases to get over this” No acquisition or partnership announcement that isn’t immediately tangible will fill the gap that Radfall and Starfield left. Big deals and third-party games at the Game Pass launch can alleviate this.

In fact you will get the opposite and people complaining that what is the point in buying these studios if we never see the fruits of it.

[CallMeCraig]

@Boosted_Gear

…ng many, like Klobrille saying the same stuff about better planning, is leaving wondering : could MS have done really more in terms of planning ? They really only started putting gaming in a more important place in 2018, with new acquisitions and more budget. Games take a lot of time to make, they had to revamp almost everything, get their pipelines back on track. Buliding a consistent first-party force takes a LOT of time. Covid came and rendered things much more difficult. Delays are inevitable in this day and age if you want the games to come in a good shape. I think MS is doing the best they can right now, given all the aformentioned. I don’t think there could have been better planning, they don’t need us to tell them that because they already know it and are working toward that already.

I mean hindsight is 20/20 so these discussions are not really productive. On one hand there are factors outside Xbox control like Covid delays or the war in Ukraine why we have seen less games released than anticipated on the whole gaming landscape. On the other hand i think in retrospect Xbox did a better job with Xbox One’s launch period. Not with their own games, but 3rd party deals at least quantity wise. We had Dead Rising, Ryse, Killer Instinct, Zoo Tycoon, D4 and Powerstar Golf at launch iirc. Xbox Publishing did a really good job with Flight Sim, Gears Tactics and Tell Me Why but thats it the last (almost) 2 years and no release since then. Maybe Xbox blew the budget on aquisitions, who knows. Or maybe there were more games planned to release and they come out this and next year. Maybe 2025 we can look back and evaluate this correctly. Right now there is some information missing.

Thankfully this time Indie games are better supported than Xbox One’s launch so they can often save the day/month.

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

How come buying studios will fill the gap for game delays

Bring heavy stuff on Gamepass is the only option

Unless there are surprises

[BigMacTonight]

okay its almost been 24 hrs now, has the dust settled yet?

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@BigMacTonight

okay its almost been 24 hrs now, has the dust settled yet?

Depends where you think we are on the 5 stages of grief lol:

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

[Boosted_Gear]

Just a question, because I don’t get every English expression, but what does " Hindisght is 20/20" means ?

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

@Boosted_Gear

Just a question, because I don’t get every English expression, but what does " Hindisght is 20/20" means ?

It means after something has happened you can look back on the past with more knowledge as to how things should have been done.

[pg2g]

@Boosted_Gear

Just a question, because I don’t get every English expression, but what does " Hindisght is 20/20" means ?

Basically means things are obvious/clear after an event occurs when you have full context and information that didn’t exist when decisions were behind made.