Is Sony going to sit with their head in the sand while gamepass runs past 30 million subs? Then 50 million?
It’s hard to believe they arnt trying to do the same thing. If they don’t Xbox is going to steal their market share. They will loose 10’s of millions customers to Xbox. 10’s of million more who own both consoles will start spending far less money in the ps store because they also have an Xbox and are invested in gamepass.
It’s honestly easier said than done to counter what Microsoft is trying to achieve right now. Sony can’t switch a button and suddenly pivot instantly to a Game Pass model. It has taken Microsoft years, billions of dollars, and a full focus to get to this point and they are not even finished.
It is why I tell PlayStation fans that if they like the idea of Game Pass, stop hoping Sony will provide their own version and just get an Xbox.
Yeah, it is much more difficult than what people think and having the backing of a company like MS that is seeing interest in gaming help tremendously. You said perfectly well why doing something like Game Pass is actually really difficult, and why Jim Ryan isn’t always lying when he said it isn’t sustainable for them.
They will do something different, playing with their other entertainement divisions, and roll PS + or PS Now into a subscription with music, animes, and movies/TV shows. They even started that way with the PS + Video Pass.
So more awful GWG titles until around 2022-2023.
No, I believe him somewhat as well. We have to realise that Jim Ryan has to make huge profits for Sony corporation because PlayStation is a big driver of it. Sony cannot really afford to pump billions and wait a few years to reap the potential benefits, they need sure hits - ring any bells?
What we are starting to hear is what you mention in that they will lean into their strengths to provide what they think will be a compelling subscription service. How it will be received, who knows, but it is something that Sony will not have to invest a huge amount of money to set-up.
Look at what Gamepass started as to where it is now and how many moves Xbox has made to get here between deals, acquisitions, Xcloud, PC. You can’t just turn around and build that type of infrastructure in a year or two. We haven’t seen hardly any of these games yet that they’ve went out and got. If Sony has a true competitor then it’s minimum 5 years away I believe. On top of that Sony hasn’t been hurt by Gamepass yet. A corporation that size needs big reasons to make a pivot. They won’t fix what isn’t broken. That doesn’t mean they aren’t watching and paying attention to how Gamepass is disrupting the market.
To be fair, Sony would be starting from a better position but they would still need to significantly expand to get to where Xbox is atm.
Your point here is the same one I made in my other post. At the end of the day, Game Pass is still unproven whether it can reach the numbers Microsoft hopes. So if you are Sony, you have a proven and successful business that is making you a ton of money, why would you invest billions to do something that might not pay off in the end. The safer bet is to invest what has been proven to work. The only issue is if Game Pass does become a major market disruptor then it might be too late for Sony to effectively counter.
It already is when it gets a Sony exclusive day an date on it.
Lol. I am on about more in terms of the number of subscribers and whether it will affect Sony’s core business. We have to keep in my mind that PS+ has double the number of subscribers, so there is still a way to go for Game Pass.
I don’t think it is as hard for Sony to pivot as you guys make it seem. They already have a similar service, it is just policy that keeps it from competing with Game Pass.
Between publisher deals and intern studios, Sony puts out a decent amount of content. They can easily sign third party and indie deals also.
Though if they wait too long and MS firms up the PC and mobile space then Sony would have a problem catching up IMO.
I agree they have content, but putting all that content Day One in a subscription service, on top of having a whole infrastructure that goes behond consoles cost a ton of money and time. I don’t think Jim Ryan said it wasn’t sustainable for them lightly.
It is not random they are improving PS Plus, because this is where they want people to subscribe. PS + Video Pass is an example of that, and a sign of where they want to go.
Sony does have Now and Gaikai tech plus a bunch of legacy content they could pad the service with. But all this still takes time to do.
I know it’s not a super easy thing to do. But I do believe that if they don’t have a true counter move by 2023 it will have been a huge mistake.
There’s probably more people subbing to gamepass now than ever subbed to Xbox live gold. So that means they are at a point where most new subs on console are new Xbox customers.
With the chip shortages I wouldn’t be surprised if they are only making 10 million consoles per year right now. Around 80% of new Xbox users sub to gamepass I remember being reported. So that’s 8 million subs if they sell 10 million consoles in the next year. Another couple million to existing Xbox owners.
The point I’m getting at is unless pc and mobile subs start increasing I think that things could drop back down to 1 million(or a tiny bit more) new subs per month, which by the way is really good still. I just don’t see it going up to 2 million per month or something crazy like that because the existing Xbox owners are being tapped out.
There has been a extremely high attach rate for new Series console owners and Game Pass. Microsoft needs to keep shipping those boxes.
The same legacy content that Jim Ryan doesn’t understand why anyone would want to play 
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Sony should be way ahead of the competition when it comes to streaming because they got into it back in like 2012 I think. It goes back to what I said about where Sony is investing their money into, I mean 1080p streaming is only just coming to PS Now.
Will Tunic come to Game Pass on launch? Can’t find anything on it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but won’t the games still be running at 540p and uprezzed to 1080p? Basically, the games will still look bad, especially when it becomes a pixelated mess (which it usually does). 
Xbox social team always cracks me up 
Adding to the discussion of Game Pass growth, here’s why 30 million subscribers by the end of the year is entirely possible if Starfield releases in 2021.
Fallout 4, the previous game by the same team, sold a whopping 12 million units in just 24 hours. 12 million paid $60 units in a day. It even surpassed that year’s Call of Duty, which we all know is always the year’s best-seller. Of course, Fallout is an established and beloved IP, while Starfield is a new one, but Bethesda’s pedigree as the makers of some of the most popular and best RPGs in the industry persists.
Now, Starfield will have a considerably lower barrier of entry than Fallout 4, which in my mind means it will do insane numbers. Surely, Starfield will not release on PS5, but it will still release on Series X|S, Steam, Microsoft and Bethesda Store as well, so it will have plenty of reach nonetheless.
By now there are 23 million Game Pass users that would then be able to access this game on day one. This number will be even higher by the time the game releases. How it will impact unit sales remains to be seen - many Game Pass users might not feel compelled to buy the game, since it comes in their subscription. Will it sell more or less than Fallou 4, then? Who cares! What matters is that Starfield will be a key title for Game Pass on late 2021, or early 2022, and I expect a ton of growth because of it.