Does it matter? What counts’?And to whom doesn’t it count? Like, it’s not some competition that needs clearly defined rules to win the championship or something.
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Also doesn’t mean it won’t. So it’s not really an argument.
All Kals said was that live service games can recover from an underwhelming start which is true.
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I refuse to believe this. I just did a small amount of research and compared Ghost of Tsushima to Callisto Protocol. GOS, cost about $60 million dollars with over 6 years of dev time and 1697 developers worked on it. TCP, “allegedly” cost $100 million dollars more ($162 million) with three years of dev time and 1029 devs. Something is not adding up here, either Glen Schofield has become the new Chris Roberts, or these numbers are wildly off
60 million dollars doesn’t quite sound right for Ghost of Tsushima, I looked up the source of that information and it came from a LinkedIn that isn’t…super clear as to what it’s specifically saying
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Alright that’s fair, couldn’t find anything concrete from Sony. However I did find concrete details from CDPR for The Witcher 3 that it cost $81 million USD with about 4 years of dev time and 1250 developers. It’s just unfathomable that they spent double the amount to make Callisto
Yeah we don’t get a lot of accurate reporting on game budgets it’s tough to judge these things, the amount spent for a linear horror game of all things seems pretty huge.
160M seems really steep.
Is that including marketing ?
No. It does not include marketing according to Krafton’s statements.
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So reading that to me just says she was responsible for breaking down and reporting on 60 million of budget to Sony. Definitely doesn’t sound like the entire project, esp since she wasn’t there for more than 16 months. Agree it’s not clear what would be covered and unlikely to be useful in determining actual cost.
There are a couple of things at play here that might make this more expensive. First, CDPR made the Witcher 3 between 2011 - 2015; and games seem to have gotten more expensive to make in the meantime. Second, CDPR is based in a much cheaper cost of living area than Spain & near San Fransicso where Striking Distance Studio is based. They likely would have had to pay their dev team quite a bit more for 2019 - the end of 2022 due to the differences in pay in the regional areas & the timing differences.
Not defending how much it cost or anything - I don’t really have a frame of reference for the cost, but it just doesn’t seem like you can really compare the dev costs due to the differences.
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Wages in Poland and the Bay area are very different.
But other than that i agree, 160 million without marketing is a lot and a hundred more than i would have imagined anybody would green light for a new survival horror IP from a new studio. Absolutely insane and no wonder Krafton has a big loss on their hand.
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Krafton, on the Acquisition menu after this massive failure? They are from South Korea and Xbox need more Asia Pub/Dev.
Would definitely not scratch my Asian studio itch
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Focusing on Hollywood actors, hyper realistic character models, ray tracing while making a survival horror game with extremely limited enemy types and none of the exploration of the original Dead Space. 
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Mine 2, it still better than none right? I’m not sure Capcom or Sega is looking to sell. FromSoft got more of that Sony investment so they are probably off limit same with Square Enix.
I’d rather not, but I’d settle for Koei Tecmo if that was the only Japanese option lol. Their upcoming output doesn’t look so bad.
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Why not?? Its a legit argument. These 70 dollar gsmes arent doing that much without them. Ps5 userbase is also not that high in US right now.
Because it just got debunked if you read right underneath it.
NDP doesn’t include bundles apparently.
No, Krafton has PUBG money and lots of it.
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But theyre not official bundles that come with the game code. Yes there are official bundles as well but were talking about the basic ones. Theyre literally selling ps5s standalone with the physical game as a seperate sku. Look st the japanese charts and you see horizon enter the top 10 when ps5s sold a bunch. These arent horizon bundles with aloy on the box.
Ima just go with the experts and take them on their word on this one.
Respectfully.
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