It’s already super favorable with the games we are seeing.
SX performance in pretty much every game has been sensational, even BC.
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Yep in his position spouting off about how no launch games on Series X will have Ray Tracing and trying to stoke the fires that this is a current issue is ridiculous and no excuses can be made for it. We know of several 3rd party games confirmed to have Ray tracing at or very near the launch of Series X, it is part of this job to also know that and it’s not like that info has been hidden.
It just further shows his lax attitude towards Xbox demonstrated by his lack of care to even bother doing basic research before making a major claim like that. His self confirmed bias most definitely shows up in his work and general social media presence.
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What’s to clarify? Those statements speak for themself. Walking them back doesn’t change what he said and meant, it’s just a way for him to try and save face.
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We’ve not seen relative performance. Let’s just wait. I hope there are no issues.
Hmm i dont think John is Sony biased in his tech comparisons
Sure, he prefers singleplayer and especially japanse games which usually are on ps platforms - he is quite open about these preferences
Insanity, that’s when the raw power difference would be most noticeable. Trust me, it’s a huge difference.
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We shall see. There are rumblings about the dev kit. Let’s see what happens with Dirt 5 and ACV and Watch Dogs comparisons.
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But the rumblings are not showing up in practice, on the contrary.
SX is reaching performance targets across the board that are much higher than we are seeing on PS5 even if the games themselves are not the same, we know how they compare from X, Pro or PC.
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These “rumblings” are a literal false narrative being pushed by fanboys and certain parts of the press that are fanboys. I’ve never seen so many supposed neutral journalists have to swoop in to rescue Sony’s bad marketing and lack of information.
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Rumblings, rumblings, rumors blabla etc as always “but wait PS5 has rdna3” bs level theory
Here is what Alex from Digital Foundry said recently
"Regarding the 5700 Thing I put in the Video, that is a just a circa equivalent that I wrote in there - where you could also put in the 5700 xt if you wanted. GPUs that over of a large grouping of titles perform similar to eachother. In that case I chose the RTX 2060 Super for the Video because I confered with the Team about what GPU to use and we thought the 2070 S Was too close to the 2080 and we do not think the PS 5 GPU will be that high up there necessarily (but it is just a guess). It is more of an informed guess based on what we saw of XSX GPU and our expectations for the scaling between the the PS 5 GPU and XSX GPU using our GPU ladder. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/…27-gpu-power-ladder-all-graphics-cards-tested
Somewhere floating around a 5700-5700xt, 2060S, 2070. We cannot be more precise without having an unlocked PS5 game to test with (hopefully hitman 3 when that comes out as we have great contact with IO and they would tell us the exact GPU settings for that game I think). That is why in the Video I said the 2060S is likely a great comparative point for the PS5 GPU - not the same or exact same, but something where we will be using it in comparisons against the PS5 when it comes out."
"Here I am talking about Hitman 3 not 2, so a native made for PS5 game that will probably have an unlocked framerate and resolution Option where I think 4K native and 60 fps target could have some areas with GPU related dips where we could then see where other GPUs fair against it in those scenarios. So not a back compat game. I honestly do not think using the 2060 S fuels console warring as if you Look at the GPU ladder it is basically an RTX 2070 which is why I mention that in the Video. The 2070 is not even produced anymore and by the time the equivalent 3xxx series card that comes out that Lands at the same point on the GPU ladder, i will use and compare that probably in its stead."
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Not those rumblings. Rumblings about GDK and devs being unable to get the performance out right from the start. It may well be nonsense. But we will see when the multiplat game’s hit. Particularly those with Ray Tracing. Let’s just see. We know the Series X is more powerful so if RT is missing in games or performance is not as you’d expect we will find out with the launch games. I hope it’s all nonsense and it comfortably performs better than the PS5 and copes better with RT. But like I say I’d just wait and see because Digital Foundry have hinted at these things. Let’s just wait.
The GDK leaked documentation does mention that RT performance will only reach the expected level post launch, however games being developed in GDK are already showing the performance at around 2080S/2080ti levels on SX. Where on ps5 it’s usually:
1440p/Checkboarded games goes to native 4k (unless they use rt then dynamic res)
For 60fps modes matching the 1440p mode (Demons Souls, Spiderman and likely Ratchet too).
Or super simple looking games that will likely be 1440p60 on pro not managing to be 4k60 locked. (sackboy and that car thing)
And regarding RT there’s no way ps5 performs better too. The games with RT are seeing compromises that even on a 2060 aren’t necessary, while again Ms has shown minecraft rtx reaching a performance level around a 2080S /2080ti in that game
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Him having a bias isn’t what is affecting him on Twitter.
We’ve the very real case of DMC remaster launching with RT on PS5 but not on SX. There is going to be a very big deal made about that. RT absent entirely from one console…the more powerful console…
One game ok. But if same happens in other launch titles…then bad news really. And doesn’t matter what performance you have if you can’t deliver one of the main graphical features at launch. Yes in reality it’s a bullet point but it’s a pretty major one given the incremental style launch.
RT being absent for one platform for a little while is not the same as performance not being the same.
IIRC the GDK notes mentioned that dxr 1.1 support would come post launch too, could just be the case that the game is relying on that and thus needs to wait for it to be available on SX.
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Pretty much this. I didn’t even know John said what he said until the other poster posted that image of him saying what he said. Everyone has their favorites and personal preferences but saying that he wishes Microsoft wasn’t in gaming and Xbox didn’t exist is just fucked up.
I’m not a Nintendo guy. Was back during NES/SNES but now, very little. Played the few Switch exclusives I wanted to play but traded it all in and for me, Nintendo is done but in no way, shape or form would I ever want Nintendo or their consoles to go away because a healthy Nintendo is a healthy industry and if it wasn’t for Nintendo, Sony and in turn Microsoft wouldn’t be in gaming and PlayStation/Xbox wouldn’t exist. So while Nintendo is literally non-existent for me going forward, I still respect everything that Nintendo has done going back to the Howard Lincoln days. I simply ignore the vast majority of what they do because it’s not for me.
The problem for John is that he can’t show favoritism because it’s his job to be fair and impartial. If/when the time comes that he can’t do that, then he needs to step away because that’s how Digital Foundry would lose all the respect and trust that they’ve built up over the years because once one person does that, everyone will believe true or not that everyone there is the same. If John is having health/mental issues or whatever the case may be, then he needs to take a leave of absence or at the very least, just get off Twitter. It’s not that tough of a decision.
My biggest issue in general is that whenever Sony does something even if its bad, no one seems to give a flying fuck and more times than not praise it to hell but when Microsoft does the exact same shit no matter what, they get bashed to hell which is bullshit.
As someone who bashed Microsoft to be better, they’re finally doing just that and have won me over and I hope Phil Spencer and everyone there keeps the foot on the gas, peddle to the metal and keeps that killer instinct because at the end of the day, it’s all a business and Sony/Nintendo aren’t exactly going to be best buds with Microsoft so no reason to be that way towards them. Microsoft/Nadella/Spencer need to keep doing what they’re doing which is putting their eco-system and the fanbase of that eco-system first, front and center.
Next Up - WB Interactive baby!!! Let’s go!!! Hehehe.
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You know the fuss that will be made about ray tracing not being at launch don’t you? The only major tangible graphical feature not being on Xbox…digital Foundry etc will go to town on reflections etc on PS5 vs Xbox…it will be brutal. And nobody will care why…it will become the narrative. Xbox can’t handle ray tracing.
I think that narrative will die really quickly because there will be games with raytracing on launch. And for example the Watchdogs footage shown running on SS had better RT reflections than Spiderman, Ratchet and Gran Turismo on Ps5.
With potentially the ps5 version having the same compromises, even if ps5 has more games using RT than SX at launch a single game would shut that down completely.
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Everyone has their own biases and preferences, this is why you must consider the source when you take in information. If you believe a person has a bias, and that goes for negative and positive ones, you just need to understand how that may color what they are saying. There is no need to lash out at people, just adjust your trust levels accordingly.
On many levels having an opposing group pointing out flaws is a good thing. I mean look at how much crap MS and Xbox has gotten and it has served to make the platform better. The opposite is true too, Sony and PS have suffered IMO because they have not been held to the same standards.
The problem with gaming, well actually not just gaming, everything these days is people are so obsessed with “winning” they are losing sight of what is important. It is no longer about making things better, it is about winning at all costs even to their own detriment. Even here you must ignore and not be tempted to just pick up the opposite side to the lies and attacks because it only makes things worse.
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You see, I know John isn’t a MS lover, but to be honest even knowing he isn’t I don’t see him anything but fair when talking about Xbox and PS5. I think he honest when he talks about Xbox.
The issue I see for DF is that they are actually reacting to the toxic Sony fanboys.
Firstly they covered the PS5 teardown even when it wasn’t even necessary to do so, and even after Alex saying they wernt going to do so. And then, they reacted so quickly to the PS5 UI reveal so they wouldn’t cope the ire of the fanboys again. Meanwhile, MS makes one of the biggest moves in gaming history and buys Zenimax, yet no reaction from DF about that. And guess what? There was no MS Fam outrage that they didn’t do so.
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