I swear that video game social media is quickly evolving into Qanon. It’s exhausting.
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Indeed. I’m basically out.
Don’t listen to gaming podcast, YouTube, twitter… anything that I used to. All I have left is XboxEra forum and even here I have most of the threads muted 
I love videogames but gamers give off too many negative vibes.
This is my first post in this insane 5000 post thread 
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It really is. I can’t tell you the number of channels I’ve clicked “don’t recommend this channel” on my YouTube feed in the last few months.
It’s all ragebait, everything is “trash”, everything “sucks”. The Starfield discourse in particular was mind-numbing. Like okay guys we get it, Starfield wasn’t to your tastes, but can we stop acting like Bethesda just punted your dog off a bridge.
Meanwhile there’s me gliding through space looking around my very own spaceship like “wooooooow😍”. I swear some of these people don’t even like video games.
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Next time, FTC will complain that XBK has hired people breaking the status quo. I may be wrong but I bet no judge will prevent MS to manage a company they own. Keeping separate means that they are not merged inside MS, not that they can not be managed.
Even channels such as GriffinGaming is jumping to crazy conclusions about MS Game Pass, a dude I thought would be better than that. As in researching shit before going buckwild. I told him EA has called it this before, and this is solely on Gamestop. Would be nice if he edits it, doubt it though.
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Everyone is just engagement farming right now.
Every 30 mins
Inside sources say Xbox is looking to bring Lost Odyssey to Playstation
Another 30 mins
Xbox is looking to bring Blinx The Time Sweeper and it’s sequel to playstation
It’s ridiculous right now
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You’re going to see “Toys 4 Bob is closing down!” The reality that all we know right now is that they’re closing their current building. Sledgehammer reportedly is doing that as well, and for Sledgehammer it is a cost-cutting measure and moving to somewhere smaller due to their reduced headcount. Please don’t panic, as this CA notification is tied to the same announcement we had last week and not “new”.
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IDK as an xbox fan im surprisingly calm right now. Im just gonna wait till next week for the conference and go from there. I know between now and then everyone is just gonna blow everything out of proportion. its getting crazy out there
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What would be beautiful if next week all they announce is that Xcloud is coming to Switch and PS5 and that is all it is. Basically that things got lost in translation, all these rumors about games coming to PS5, it’s true, sure, but only via Xcloud.
I’d love to see the reactions of many. It’s also amusing and very pathetic at the same time how the ponies all of a sudden want all these games, first it was “Xbox has no games” or they would ridicule the games, and now they want them.
Chumps.
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That’s very likely not the case and if it were, they probably would have said something to calm everybody down.
Also, you referring to people as “ponies” is just straight console warring. Be better than that
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Honestly I think Xbox did plan on bringing everything over and they might be backtracking because of the backlash. I still think their endgame is to put everything on Sony and PS consoles then sue them like the Epic google and apple case.
Sell games and gamepass on Nintendo and PS consoles thru their own storefront where they don’t have to give them their cut
I don’t think the FTC has anything other than wasting every one’s time, why would the system overturn what every other regulator approved? Though moving from here I do wonder what the reception would be like next time they try for an acquisition.
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I have stayed out of this thread until now - though I have read bits and pieces of the 5,000+ posts here. I have no idea what will happen next week and I don’t have the time or the energy to worry about it until we actually know what is happening.
However, I do want to make one comment. One critique of the backlash against the rumored changes is something like, “Why do you care if more people can play games? You aren’t actually losing anything are you?” This comment betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of human psychology and how (most) humans measure and perceive things.
Let me explain by giving an example from the world of finance. In finance we have the concepts of absolute performance and relative performance. Absolute performance is the return you actually earned. Relative performance is the return you earned compared to what you might have earned. Relative performance always involves comparing your return to some benchmark.
Imagine you own a mutual fund. In the first year you own it the fund returns 10% and the overall market returns 8%. You would probably be happy about that. Your absolute return was 10% and your relative return was +2% (you did 2% better than your benchmark). In the second year you own the fund it returns 10% again, but the market returns 20%. Your absolute return was 10% again, but your relative return was -10% (you underperformed the benchmark by 10%). You would, rightfully, be pretty upset about that. If the fund manager said, “Why are you upset? You didn’t lose anything. Your return was the same as last year!” You would probably think he was an idiot.
Research shows that investors care far more about relative performance than absolute performance. (There are some important footnotes to that, but the point is generally true.)
Now applying that concept to the current Xbox situation, it is true that in absolute terms Xbox fans don’t lose anything (right now) by games going multi-platform, but in relative terms they certainly do - because that decision makes the other platforms better off while Xbox stays the same. So, in relative performance terms Xbox is losing ground, even though in absolute terms (right now) nothing has changed for Xbox.
I can somewhat get random industry observers and pundits not understanding this concept, but there is no way that MSFT/Xbox management shouldn’t understand it. I refuse to believe any of them are actually that dumb. - especially the finance guys who are supposedly driving this decision. They live in a world where they have to understand absolute/relative performance so there is no excuse for them not getting this.
So, the only way any of this makes sense (to me) is if they think whatever they are getting back from this decision ($ presumably) is worth the cost of the platform falling behind its competitors even more.
Since we don’t know exactly what will be announced yet, I’ll reserve further judgment for now. I just really hope whoever is making these decisions knows what they are doing.
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Yeah, I’m sorry. I solely mean the extreme fanboys with that, because I’m well aware there are tons of level headed, normal, grown up folks that prefer PS. But you’re not wrong.
And yeah, sadly it won’t only be Xcloud, probably not about Xcloud at all.
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Im completely against what they are doing but I’m sure the number crunchers did the math on all possibilities. It’s not like every single person with an Xbox is gonna ditch the system. They probably think the money from 15 million Xbox gamers plus Sony install base and Nintendo install base is worth more then 30 million Xbox gamers or whatever the actual numbers are unfortunately
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It’s about cost and return. They spending all this money but people are not buying enough Xbox in that region. Same as what is happen right now. Not enough people are buying Xbox. They putting more money into Xbox, but not seeing enough of a return. It all comes down to cost/return investment.
You don’t have to apologize to me lol. Just ignore what the extreme fanboy say and you’ll be better for it. I’ve agreed with lots of your tasks here and I just don’t want to see this place become excessively toxic towards any platform.
While I wish it were all about cloud, I’m preparing for the inevitable.
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I don’t care about 1 game going to rival platforms or all games. The damage in both cases will be just as bad.
What i’m most curious about for the future is what they’re planning to do to make sure that: A - Future Xbox consoles don’t shrink even more B - 3rd party devs & publishers continue to support Xbox consoles going forward
If MS can somehow manage to sell at least 40+ m consoles next gen that means they keep 3rd parties releasing on their platform in which case I’m totally fine with them releasing games on rival platforms. But that’s a tough ask. They need to offer something so enticing they don’t lose millions more of consoles/customers. I know the next console is coming in a few years im not worried about that. If MS can manage to sell 40+ million of consoles with nextgen (let’s call it XSX2) it means 3rd parties stay on the platform which means future Xbox consoles XSX3, XSX4 etc will pretty much be guaranteed to release. Which means your digital library is in safe hands. That’s all I care about.
I want to be hopeful. I want to believe they know what they’re doing but then I look at MSs other consumer attempts, I look at their Xbox history and it worries me ngl.
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I don’t see how they can keep it from not shrinking over time? If they are releasing on even more platforms? I don’t see how it cannot shrink even more. It not that people don’t want to play Xbox games. They do, you can see that on Steam with Xbox games. It just that they don’t want to buy a Xbox to play Xbox games. They rather play Xbox games elsewhere. I guess Microsoft see that in the data too and will go fully multi-platforms with the software.
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