They believe wrong them, most console fans will bolt as soon is practical to do it, you already see the signs.
“Dominating” mobile how? Only minecraft and cod are valuable over there, Tencent owns like 10 or more game as big on mobile.
I guess it’s really the nth jump in the dark betting on the unknown, while signaling middle finger to core fans (again).
is possible, especially if they are going in this direction, much easier to sell to regulators if you’re bringing content everywhere
Isn’t happening without mobile, nobody cares about the MS Store on PC and would rather buy on steam, console isn’t growing and with this rumored pivot they are more likely to lose subs than gain console subs
Unless GP is coming to PS/Switch in some way, console GP stands no chance of growing
I’d honestly love to know the numbers as clearly they expect the amount they sell on Playstation/Switch to outperform what they will make in future GP subs and content on the store, obviously I know nothing but put me in the doubt side of things to say the least
Is he in the know about more, I wonder?
[quote=“Saten117, post:4738, topic:17793”] They believe wrong them, most console fans will bolt as soon is practical to do it, you already see the signs.[/quote]
I believe many will. But to counter, when FF16 hits Xbox will most PS5 owners sell up and buy Xbox for CoD on game pass and Indiana Jones? Probably not…but they aint buying Concord either.
[quote=“Saten117, post:4738, topic:17793”] I guess it’s really the nth jump in the dark betting on the unknown, while signaling middle finger to core fans (again).[/quote]
In fairness the mass market - however it is defined -is what matters. Its easier to bet on Xcloud taking off over 5 years then it is to assume the console market is going to double.
Game pass on every device. Ending the gen with 40m Xcloud subscribers that wont need to spend $700 on a console to 16.99 a month potentially as long as they live.
Xbox will be fine, it just might not be an Xbox any of us care for going forward
The funny thing is Xbox wasn’t always “in the market to make money”, i.e. not like under its current parameters. It was more of an expensive foray into home console turf to ward off Sony’s dominance (& potential threat to home computing).
It’s not like Gates & the rest at MS had a spreadsheet for Xbox back in 2001 with growth objectives i.e. “get a certain xyz % of marketshare or else you’re fired/shuttered”. It was a sort of passion project & crazy endeavour by talented people to take a risk they could afford (& still can). It was about image & market reach, not blind profit for the sake of profiteering.
What Nadella is doing is vastly different & I don’t like it. It’s treating Xbox like a service & any other Microsoft division with expectations which IMO aren’t realistic in an entertainment industry. In a perfect world, Xbox should be happy to have 50, 60 million console users & just leave it at that as long as it’s run tightly enough.
But we don’t live in a perfect world do we? So here we are.
The mobile bet is where I think they are going, but it’s a very dangerous one, mobile gamers are addicted to freemium experiences, even GP cost is too much for most. Not enough wil sub to cover the cratering of console imo and goodby 30B in 2030. 3-4 years from now they will do another u-turn and cry crocodile tears for betting badly, like the always do.
I always thought users was the important thing, not consoles sales. There are tons of people that I know that have multiple PS5’s or Series X/S yet they are seen as just 1. It is very possible that only 70 million people bought a console that sold 100 million simply because they buy multiples or it’s just a family. My point is 100 million consoles does not equate to 100 million spending user accounts. I would say selling their store or giving access to it to as many as possible is the game here not necessarily selling consoles. Consoles are just an end point to the store. I believe if streaming was where it needed to be and they had the capacity for hundreds of millions I would say that should be the thing to push especially if they can get to sell very cheap.
High spending users like the console base are irreplaceable imo, otherwise it would’t be still the core of business after 7-8 years of expanding on pc on 4 in cloud.
The bigger personalities would need to be bounced off of for feedback by MS before making a decision. He is one of the big ones so I hope so.
Thing is those high spending users don’t have to always stay on console which was all that was available before, I think as long as the fidelity is there, they will be fine also convenience is an addition. Sometimes I do wonder with 1500 plus TVs couldn’t this manufacturers just build native gaming tech in and may be have it modular.
The ‘problem’ with all of these “it’ll be fine” posts is they’re originating from people who just five minutes ago (aka last month, i.e. certainly after the earnings call) were convinced Xbox was absolutely fine & doing great, with an achievable objective of Consoles + PC + Gamepass along with all the Bethesda & Activision exclusives to go with them.
Well, it turns out that wasn’t exactly true. So I’ll take all the “the hardware, ecosystem & brand will be fine” comments with a giant grain of salt considering the recent (albeit rumored) company flipflop.
Have been absent from Twitter from quite a while now, life is better that way too. But just checked out some updates and folks are being really smug. The Game Pass announcement tweet has stuff like “leaving GP: Starfield, Halo, Forza.” comments. Either people are really fucking dumb and genuinely believe that these games are leaving, or they are just trying to be funny and failing.
But the IQ of Sony Ponies isn’t super high so…it’s probably the former.
Well lets look at it another way. 116m PS4s. 1.5b software sales That’s an average of 12.9 games per user spread over 7 years. Incorrectly assuming they are all $60 games bought at launch, no bundles, no F2P, no 90% off that works out to $774 in game sales per user.
Regular game pass is $9.99 a month, or 120 per year (its a bit more now)…works out to $840 per subscriber over a 7 year period. Slightly more. If they get game pass to triple digits, the high spending users are irrelevant. Not only that…theres no generations on PC and mobile, no reset button that will curb growth, unlike a console.
If they win once, they win forever.
2001 was a a very different world where MS felt in danger in front of Sony dominance plans over the living room. They even wanted to become a chip manufacturer and replace the PC. All failed with the ps3, and Sony is back at producing consoles and no more. At that time, Xbox was a defensive move nothing more.
As for now, I do not think “doing just fine” when you are a division of the biggest company in the world and so many possible investments (like AI) could be done with much better ROI. Spencer promised the big picture to make Xbox survive. it seems the picture is not that big and people at MS may (I just say “may”) want to revise their investments.
I just assume the average Twitter user is a 3rd grader masquerading as an adult. It’s the only way I’m able to come to terms with just how stupid and awful people can be on that hellscape of a platform. 
So that tweet by Jez about how he reckons a lot of people will feel silly soon…
It’s good to see people calling him out for other tweets because Jez himself has been guilty of tweets that only adds fuel to the fire, like how Xbox players will be beta testing PS5 games, or how he can definitely see Halo coming to it.
Of course he doesn’t respond to these comments, which honestly I find weak sauce.
I have to say this is first generation where I’ve actually tangibly felt MS breathing down Xbox’s neck like this. As a player on the system I’m getting more & more encroachment from ‘the man’, even in the form of adverts on the boot screen of my Series X.
It’s just a feeling I never had in previous generations. It was always like “Xbox does what it wants, MS just let’s them get on with & occasionally writes a check”.
People used to joke about the memed ‘warchest’ but probably didn’t realize it would also have such serious caveats attached (like going multiplatform on a Sony console of all things).
The abrupt change in tone by Jez(and others) is so awkward. Not gonna lie.
Maybe MS walked whatever they had back a little due to backlash. This wouldn’t be the first time MS has planned a change and the community was like “Nah.” and they reversed it or altered the plan.
Or maybe everything was blown out of proportion.
My vote is a little of each lol. Next week will be very entertaining but also will be a sink or swim moment for Xbox whether MS believes it or not.
Whatever comes next week or not, he will say that he knew all along. Those men are never wrong.