I remember the days during the PS2 and PS3 era, and the comments they were making about online gaming. It would never take off etc.
Sony are the ultimate short term company really and this time, its going to cost them.
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Horizon even came in hot and had lots of bugs that Sony games supposedly donât have.
And speaking of, I find it very funny when Sony tries to market Aloy like sheâs Mario or even Master Chief. Sheâs not an icon like them at all but Sony desperately wants her to be.
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Sony are lazy and cant milk their consumers enough to justify the cost.
Thats the kind of service you get when a company thinks its perfect and the companies fans never hold them accountable
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The consensus I got so far about this service announcement is Extra is not bad, but Premium is disappointingly non-sense. When you think about it, it does reek of âwho asked for this.â Yes, BC is very neat, but to put it a paywall and act like this is a must purchase rather than gifted for owning it before is baffling.
Same reason they couldnt build their own streaming service and now play as third party to the mouse and a DVD by post company.
Either:
They cant afford to.
They dont know how to
They can afford it and do know how, but Japanese management are too proud to give up disc drives.
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Jim: âyou know people say they want Backwards compatability but they donât really, also subscription services arenât the way forward and donât make sense for usâ.
Also Jim: âhere is a subscription service where you pay more for backwards compatibilityâ
He is a little bit of a weasel this one
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Kratos should be the face of Sony. Not Nathan Drake and certainly not Aloy. Sheâs an awful character. forgetful in the first game and I havenât even played the 2nd but from what I hear shesâ even more annoying in it.
And call me shallow. I think her design is unattractive. But she doesnât have the personality to counter it either.
Sony have always been arrogant dude. They make great games but as a Company i was never fond of them. ITs why I always prefer Nintendo and Xbox ecosystems. PS systems for me were always Exclusive boxes.
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If we are talking purely from a business sense, Sony doesnât really need to compete with Game Pass one for one. What they have here is probably good enough. All the need is something for their consumers to feel like they arenât being left behind and continue to do business they way they normally do. If at some point subscription services become the norm, they can jump in 100% then. Itâll be like Nintendo deciding on making a more traditional console for their next one if they felt they needed to. Nobody is going to care they werenât doing it before.
Nintendo will never make a traditional console because they canât compete in the powerful hardware market nor do they have the market share to do so. Wii U pretty much put a nail in their home console market.
The only way they make another console is if its another Wii revolution.
They also donât have the billions like Sony do to risk it.
Iâve said this before but Nintendo will become a software only company within the next 15 years.
I starting to actually think itâs not a major investment. A major investment is what MS is doing with BC. Sony could have done the minimum, but I think sony seems to have no respect for their own fans. They think those fans will buy $70 remasters of old games. Just like apple charging $20 cleaning ragsâŚ
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I agree with Kratos too, but I can see why âthe suitsâ wouldnât want him as the face. Heâd be far and away the most âintimidatingâ of the 3 (Mario, Chief, Kratos) and heâs from an ultra violent series. Horizon is only rated T (as is Uncharted) so I suppose I see why they go with that even though she is not memorable visually or as a character at all.
And it seems to me in general that the reputation the Horizon series has picked up in gaming communities is that their releases are precursors to a masterpiece game releasing a week later.
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Itâs just more profitable for Nintendo to do what they are doing now. What I mean is if the market become such that gaming suddenly becomes almost 100% home console base, Nintendo will do it.
Nintendoâs main issue with home consoles is they are seemingly unwilling to bargain with third parties at the level Sony and MS are. Some of that may be cash issues, but I think Nintendo is still held back by some of their old ways from when they controlled the market and forced publishers/developers into unfavorable deals. Even now there are cases where games would be a no-brainer to release on the Switch but they donât, it almost feels like spite or a grudge. I think Nintendo just wants to create something where they can have all the leverage in deals.
Garbage online system awfully basic OS They simply cannot compete with Sony and MS directly in that console space for the same games.
I think youâre overestimating what Nintendo is able to do
The Wii U completely destroyed their ability to compete in 2 markets which they have done so since the 90âs. They had handheld line and console line. The Gamecube was the last console that was directly competing with MS and Sony and even then they got outsold by MS.
The Switch 2 is the only viable thing they can go for and been that is looking dicey.
They need to start waking up and offer better online services because hardware sales ainât gonna cut it anymore. Even Sony know this.
Revenue is hugely important. More so for Nintendo. Theyre pure Gaming company. They canât rely on other business ventures.
Iâm a huge Nintendo fan or was. I think the switch is great but its severely lacking and Iâm seriously worried about Nintendoâs future.
The leverage against 3rd parties doesnât exist because no reputable 3rd party will support Nintendo outside of certain games. Capcom did it with MH RiseâŚbut even then they had to pay a shit ton for exclusivity and thatâs 1 game. MH World 2 isnât going anywhere near the Switch.
I mean Sony arenât quite Nintendo level of charging full price for ports so lets be fair to them on that
Sony have that loyal fanbase that will accept it though
The prices Sony are charging isnât the issue. Its their arrogance of hiking up the price to 70 bucks and then saying it helps them make better games. Bullshit. GT7 should never be 70 bucks. ever. Its MTX driven GAAS game.
Kratos murdered his wife and child. He will never be the face of Sony.
I believe Sony mascot is currently Astrobot. They change just about every generation.
Seems to be a lot of confusion around this point (here and around the rest of the internet) but in this case Jimâs statement is pretty clear. He is saying that if Sony put their first party day 1 stuff into a subscription service then they would not invest as much money in making that game.
âThe level of investment that we need to make in our studios would not be possibleâ
That has no bearing on Xbox or any other publisher that goes day one in a sub. as they may or may not reduce investment in their games.
Certainly on the Xbox side it appears that they are investing more rather than less.
Except it is. He basically implied that when you started putting the games into a subscription service, you lowered its quality. It is laughable when GT7 exists.
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They basically told both MS and Ubisoft that their games are lower quality because they go onto a subscription service day one. It was a clever thing to do in one way, but a bad idea in another, because it will come back to haunt them when they inevitably do it themselves.
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