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[BRiT]

It can still impact Devs/Pubs in a very negative way. Especially if they know that simply limiting the demo play to the first 2 hours may not be the best representation of the game. This now forces the Devs/Pubs to produce their own customized demo experience. Or they have the hard choice of simply not publishing on the PlayStation platform.

The only way that makes sense for Devs/Pubs is by having the Demo clause only be applicable for games doing deals for PlayStation Plus Premium. However, being on that service negates the need for the Demo in the first place. There needs to be a benefit to the Devs/Pubs since Sony is making money off it.

[SpiderLink]

All excellent points. Honestly, I just need to sit down and re-read what’s been confirmed since my perception has been colored too much by reactionary posts from when this first came out.

[ShinMegamiTenseiX]

@SpiderLink

If this doesn’t create more work for devs/detract from the finished product, I don’t have a big problem with it. It rubbed me the wrong way to imagine Sony were swinging their weight around to mandate something that would kind of become mandatory for any potentially-qualifying game. (Well, we had better prepare a demo if we might ever get a deal to be on Spartacus because the first two hours of our game is just cutscenes/unskippable dialogue)

I still don’t love it to be honest, but if it’s beneficial to the consumer and isn’t an extra burden for devs, then I don’t really have an argument against it.

beneficial to consumer? its behind a paywall. You have to subscribe to the highest tier…this is just lazy attempt by sony to gain more money

I can’t believe some of the shit sony get away with

And can you imagine a Rockstar doing a trail got GTAVI? They’ll tel them to fuck off. This is a publisher that doesn’t even put games on PC right away due to piracy.

[LucasTaves]

@Biggzy

Pretty much what I said.

It just screams of Sony trying to add ‘value’ for free without giving publishers anything in return. They may argue that it gives them exposure, but if publishers wanted to do demos they would have done so, they do not need Sony telling them.

Shit like this happens when you have a bad subscription and to make it better try to artificially give value to it with stuff that should be free.

Not unlike Ms putting apps behind gold before they had GwG, or even Sony making cloud saves a Plus perk.

It’s a shame because instead of this crap they should do what any decent gaming store does now that is to offer self service refunds, or make it indeed a perk like EA play does, offering early access to the games in the trial.

Because right now they are just making the experience for everyone that doesn’t pay worse, so they can charge for a little better experience.

[LucasTaves]

@SpiderLink

If this doesn’t create more work for devs/detract from the finished product, I don’t have a big problem with it. It rubbed me the wrong way to imagine Sony were swinging their weight around to mandate something that would kind of become mandatory for any potentially-qualifying game. (Well, we had better prepare a demo if we might ever get a deal to be on Spartacus because the first two hours of our game is just cutscenes/unskippable dialogue)

I still don’t love it to be honest, but if it’s beneficial to the consumer and isn’t an extra burden for devs, then I don’t really have an argument against it.

It’s not beneficial to the consumer, because the regular consumer has a worse experience than on competing platforms.

You can refund games for free on Xbox and Steam provided you played less than 2 hours (there are other rules, like the refund must be requested within 14 days of purchase too). Instead of letting everyone refund Sony is asking for you to pay them to have the same functionality (and I wouldn’t doubt that underlying that’s exactly what happens: Sony is just handling the purchase/refund on your behalf and charging you for it).

[SpiderLink]

Guys, I meant it’s an extra thing for the consumer, as in I would consider this a bonus to the tier since in my view that’s not the big reason to buy in at that level. It’s also how I view xCloud. It isn’t why I have Game Pass Ultimate, but it’s a cool extra thing that I probably wouldn’t pay for separately.

And yeah, Sony seriously need to improve their services, like having 2FA that works well, overhauling their shameful refund policy, letting me add my fucking credit card to the store I don’t have to buy PSN cards from third-party sites, offering free cloud saves, fixing that stupid 1000 cloud saves limit thing. I can think all of those things suck and still think something else is fine.

I still haven’t read up on this properly, stand by for my further thoughts I guess lol.

[LucasTaves]

@SpiderLink

…Guys, I meant it’s an extra thing for the consumer, as in I would consider this a bonus to the tier since in my view that’s not the big reason to buy in at that level. It’s also how I view xCloud. It isn’t why I have Game Pass Ultimate, but it’s a cool extra thing that I probably wouldn’t pay for separately. And yeah, Sony seriously need to improve their services, like having 2FA that works well, overhauling their shameful refund policy, letting me add my fucking credit card to the store I don’t have to buy PSN cards from third-party sites, offering free cloud saves, fixing that stupid 1000 cloud saves limit thing. I can think all of those things suck and still think something else is fine. I still haven’t read up on this properly, stand by for my further thoughts I guess lol.

I got you, but the thing is xcloud is a real perk. Being able to stream games is not something that you can do for free.

Psn offers not refunds for anyone, yeah, but other platforms do, and sony instead of adding that feature for everyone decided to charge for it.

The equivalent was what Ms did during the 360 era, where you were required to sub to gold to be able to use apps (stuff like netflix, youtibe, internet explorer) on your console. Was it an extra thing for gold users on 360? Yes, but it was not beneficial in any way because they were just charging for a basic functionality that should be free and was on other platforms.

[SheepDip]

Saw a post on ResetEra that hit a good point-- Sony has conveyed a lot more info so far on how to pay them for Spartacus, than what Spartacus actually offers as a service. Kinda captures their current view of their audience…

[Proven]

@SheepDip

Saw a post on ResetEra that hit a good point-- Sony has conveyed a lot more info so far on how to pay them for Spartacus, than what Spartacus actually offers as a service. Kinda captures their current view of their audience…

Exactly. They are willing to take your money but no one even knows what will be on the service.

[BRiT]

@Proven

Exactly. They are willing to take your money but no one even knows what will be on the service.

I’m assuming its simply what they have now in PS Now but with the marketing rebranded new coat of lipstick, but with PSNow Streaming moved into the even more expensive tier.

From earlier analysis it was a little over 91% of the titles being from 2017 or older. There was rumored around 50 games leaving PS Now soon. I didn’t see which titles those were. So the percentage may be slightly different when they roll out, but fundamentally its nothing but old games.

We know what Sony execs and fans think of that, “Who would ever want to play old games?”.

[SheepDip]

@BRiT

We know what Sony execs and fans think of that, “Who would ever want to play old games?”.

You may not be fully up-to-date on your talking points… Now that Sony is offering retro BC, it’s extremely important and a great selling point.

[LucasTaves]

@SheepDip

Saw a post on ResetEra that hit a good point-- Sony has conveyed a lot more info so far on how to pay them for Spartacus, than what Spartacus actually offers as a service. Kinda captures their current view of their audience…

That’s an incredibly good point.

But then again, they are not wrong. Many times over their userbase has shown that they prefer to be treated like garbage in favor of Sony’s bottom line.

@BRiT

I’m assuming its simply what they have now in PS Now but with the marketing rebranded new coat of lipstick, but with PSNow Streaming moved into the even more expensive tier.

From earlier analysis it was a little over 91% of the titles being from 2017 or older. There was rumored around 50 games leaving PS Now soon. I didn’t see which titles those were. So the percentage may be slightly different when they roll out, but fundamentally its nothing but old games.

We know what Sony execs and fans think of that, “Who would ever want to play old games?”.

It can’t be what they have now because they already have more than 700 games as is, and they don’t have Ps1 and PSP games on the service.

There’s leaks/speculation that they will reduce or even eliminate the Ps3 options and add Ps1 and Psp for compensating (checks out because Ps 1,2 and PSP runs on local emulators, while Ps3 needs streaming, so they might want to get rid of Ps3 blades in order to be able to expand psnow to more countries)

[SheepDip]

@LucasTaves

There’s leaks/speculation that they will reduce or even eliminate the Ps3 options and add Ps1 and Psp for compensating (checks out because Ps 1,2 and PSP runs on local emulators, while Ps3 needs streaming, so they might want to get rid of Ps3 blades in order to be able to expand psnow to more countries)

So that is something that… I don’t know if concern is the right word but something that I wonder about… Sony’s PS3 BC solution, such as it is, is still built on PS3 hardware that’s no longer being manufactured (are they?). As those PS3 blades slowly wear out, we’re right back in the situation where these games that are trapped on PS3 hardware become inaccessible all over again. My own PS3 is still in working order and I’m not even currently a PS Now subscriber so I don’t mean to concern troll over this, but like, I’d rather live in a world where people can easily access Metal Gear Solid 4, even in streaming form, than one where they can’t.

[BRiT]

@LucasTaves

It can’t be what they have now because they already have more than 700 games as is, and they don’t have Ps1 and PSP games on the service.

From analysis done at the time of announcement, the gist is they merely split it between multiple tiers.

They had 400 download games on the “Extra” tier, and moved the 300+ streaming games to the “Premium” tier. They only had around 30-40 new legacy PS1/PSP games to be added.

[leburn98]

@cinste

You can almost guarantee that this idea came straight off the desk of a high level exec. who doesn’t work with developers/publishers.

Someone at some level down the chain closer to the real work will have told them it’s a bad idea but been ignored.

Can you really read this any other way than them using their dominant market position to force this requirement onto developers so that they can provide added value to PS+ premium offering?

If the value proposition from the exposure given to the game was half decent then they could have made this optional as it would have good take up anyway.

Funny thing is, they are making this move while losing market share to Xbox. This move made a ton of sense during the PS4 generation, less so with the PS5.

[leburn98]

Maybe it’s just because I want to see some chaos, but wouldn’t it be hilarious if developers decide to work with Microsoft to offer the same 2 hour trials for free on Xbox?

On the surface it may not make sense, but given that Sony isn’t giving you any compensation (until proved otherwise) and Microsoft already offers refunds for those who played under 2 hours anywyas, why not go all out with it?

[GamepadX]

@SheepDip

So that is something that… I don’t know if concern is the right word but something that I wonder about… Sony’s PS3 BC solution, such as it is, is still built on PS3 hardware that’s no longer being manufactured (are they?). As those PS3 blades slowly wear out, we’re right back in the situation where these games that are trapped on PS3 hardware become inaccessible all over again. My own PS3 is still in working order and I’m not even currently a PS Now subscriber so I don’t mean to concern troll over this, but like, I’d rather live in a world where people can easily access Metal Gear Solid 4, even in streaming form, than one where they can’t.

It’s interesting to consider that the more successful the top tier PlayStation Plus is, the closer we get to the death of the PS3. There is an inflection point where too many subscribers outnumber the amount of remaining PS3 server blades. Enjoy PS3 streaming while you still can.

[GamepadX]

Hi GamepadX

We want to let you know that from June 13 the PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now memberships are changing.

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[BRiT]

So this effectively kills the PC only service tier of PS Now? As I understand it, If you’re on PC and want to play via streaming you have to subscribe to PlayStation Plus Premium. That’s a price increase of $8 a month. RIP PS Now.

[Kals_Els]

@leburn98

Maybe it’s just because I want to see some chaos, but wouldn’t it be hilarious if developers decide to work with Microsoft to offer the same 2 hour trials for free on Xbox?

On the surface it may not make sense, but given that Sony isn’t giving you any compensation (until proved otherwise) and Microsoft already offers refunds for those who played under 2 hours anywyas, why not go all out with it?

Or have the games launched on game pass at the same time as ps+, with game pass getting the full game and ps+ a demo.