Again, you clearly missed the point - I’m saying if AYN can do so, knowing they pay far more for their panels, there’s no reason Nintendo couldn’t have, aside from greed. I never compared it to anything other than the panel, which was the argument you brought forward and I also never said the device was comparible in spec (though ironically, the Portal can be used more more than the Switch 2 will - gotcha I guess). This is about the economics of scale and if you’d get your head out of the sand, you’d realize that and you very much are defending Nintendo… your words are literally an argument via proxy for Nintendo.
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An OLED that doesnt meet the same specs that were defined. I specifically stated, I do not see many, if any devices, with 8", 120hz, VRR OLEDs.
To which you responded with that device doesnt meet 2/3s of those specs (size and VRR).
I just find it kind of odd, as someone who has been generally respecful to you in my time here and always enjoyed the cordial nature of our discussions, that you have chosen a weirdly condscending passive agressive attitude toward me all of a sudden. Its a tad surprising to say the least.
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Probably because you still missed the point and came across defensive enough to write a missed-the-point novel every time. Last I checked, I wasn’t defending a near-universally-made point for a multi-billion dollar company and getting worked up about it.
It’s not about being in the majority, John’s comment or the social media outrage, it’s about what we are accustomed of Nintendo and I think we can all admit that the Switch 2 is the right evolution of the Switch, LCD screen put aside. I don’t know what people expected but the machine is about 450€ at the moment in my country and I think it’s fair. Yeah, 400€ would have been better but a 50€ difference is not something to be enraged about in all fairness.
For me, (and I think a lot of people when they’ll realise what they are getting), it’s all I wanted from the Switch 2. I feel like the console is not the problem but the games prices, which are, in fact, all over the place, and the new accessories prices, which are exorbitant to say the least. That I understand, because it’s overpriced pieces of plastic. But isn’t it what Nintendo has been doing for decades ?
It feels like we are back to square 1, being enraged about big companies and prices. No one is forced to buy anything.
To be clear, I don’t defend the pricing, as it will surely cause some headaches to families at Christmas, but I think it’s fair and on par with what everyone should have expected from Nintendo.
Ive been thinking about how to wind back and better articulate where I was coming from and reading that windows central article on how Xbox looks better post switch 2 launch (article is in the hangouts thread) helped me distill my broader thoughts a bit better.
Rather than focus on any particular component, I think the part of the article where he talks about how things make you feel is the most pertinent.
Ill use a hamfisted analogy about Amusement parks.
If you love amusment park rides (games) a place like Cedar Point is going to offer you a more thrilling experience than Disney World ever could. The rides are bigger, scarier, and generally at the bleeding edge of what is possible.
But Disney offers an entirely different kind of ride. And its all packaged with recognizable characters and charm that you have loved for decades (a type of charm that is hard to replicate).
Cedar Point costs a fraction of what it does to go to Disney World. Despite all the advantages it has. But Cedar Point doesnt make you FEEL like Disneyworld does.
Nintendo is Disneyworld. If that experience never resonated with you or no longer does. The technical shortcomings are whats left and entirely laid bare. And there is no question that the more thirlling and more affordable park is the better option.
As most of us are primarily Xbox gamers, myslef included (its hands down my favorite system/ecosystem and its not close), its far more likely to see the nuts and bolts of all of it and just go…yeah, no thanks. And that perspective is entirely valid (and generally speaking, true in a literal sense)
If you are someone that still gets that Disneywold feeling about Nintendo, the technical shortcomings disappear into the value of how it makes you feel going on those rides, and its something that technical prowess doesnt really make up for.
As somone who grew up paying astronimical prices for SNES and N64 games, Nintendo charging an arm and a leg has always just seemed like par for the course because they are essentially videogame disney.
Maybe that makes sense, maybe it doesnt. Either way, do yourself a favor and go to Cedar Point. You wont regret it.
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Lets all cool down, everyone, thanks. Only warning.
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I really glad you brought up Disneyworld/Disneyland. I don’t have a personal like or dislike about Nintendo but it’s an interesting analogy. I’ve grown up in California since the 70’s. Disneyland was a great place to take the family. A modest income family can spend a great day at Disneyland for a “reasonable” amount of money back in the day. Now Disneyland is way too expensive for a family. Basically, only an upper middle-class family can afford to go. They have even gotten rid of the season passes. The prices will only keep going up. It’s a great mirror to the video game industry right now. The focus only on hardware and exclusive is either going to make it a hobby for the upper middle class or slowly kill the industry. To me it only confirms MS attitude of getting as many people access to the games is the correct one.
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Yep even if an OLED with specs that match costs a bit, they could make a second expensive model with a battery to cope for launch to allow users used to their OLED screens to not have to downgrade.
I know they won’t make the fixed handheld at launch as it’s cheaper, but the more expensive one might get the fans and potentially being more expensive stock do well when the cheaper model sells out…
I know one model simplifies the manufacturing but it does feel a little like they’ll get the initial sale from fans then yeah in a few years do the OLED model again to get another sale - while those fans would probably pay more now…
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Price increases… Angry Mario doesn’t like that 
I don’t understand the love for modern Nintendo consoles from adults anyway.
Their first party games are fairly straight forward, they take about 10 hours to finish
The switch 1 barely had any 3rd party support so they excuse can’t even be made that I just want a hand held to play my games
I suppose the switch 2 you can at least say it’ll be the cheapest way of playing cyberpunk on the go but that’s where it ends for me.
I started with the SNES as well and 2 of my favourite consoles were the n64 and GameCube but they at least felt like they had pull of muliplayer games with the N64 and the competing on power in terms of GameCube
I also hear so many people say oh everyone loves Nintendo they’ll just buy it
If that’s true what happened with the n64 GameCube and Wii U where was the Nintendo love in then
Strange the narratives people begin to believe
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Well, luckily, other people’s enjoyment isn’t predicated on your understanding. 
But Ill help you out. People like video games, particularly fun ones. The video games they make are fun.
Most adults, ones who consider gaming one of their primary hobbies, just like to play games, no matter what it is on. They also, generally, dont buy Nintendo products as their primary system. They buy it for Nintendo games. Personally, my switch has been used for about 2-3 titles a year for its entire life. And those are all Nintendo first party titles.
But also, sometimes adults have to sit in airports, its raining and you’re stuck in the hotel on vacation, their wife/kids want to watch the TV, or they have long commutes on public transit and they enjoy being able to play games during those moments.
Comparing the market performance of two consoles released nearly 30 years ago to today isn’t particularly pertinent or informative today. But for starters, most of the kids who grew up with the NES and Genesis were teenagers when the PlayStation hit the market. Playstation games were drastically cheaper than N64 and had far more titles that catered to that demographic. N64 games, gernerally, were cartoonish and cost nearly 2x what a PS game did. That coupled with the limited scope of N64 games due to cart storage limitations wasnt exactly a winning formula.
At a time (PS2/GC era) where PS users main complaint was that Nintendo systems seemed liked they were for kids, they doubled down and made their system/controller looks like a giant fisher price toy. PlayStation only had to make a better PS to hold on to what they had and they hit it out of the park.
PC gaming at this point was still expensive and not quite as welcoming as it is now.
Similarly to the switch now, hardware prowess isnt, and has never been, the primary dertemining factor in what is successful (PlayStation and PlayStation 2 werent the most powerful system of their time). Horizon Zero Dawn and Breath of the Wild came out around the same time. Horizon, from a visual perspective wipes the floor BOTW no question. But I’ll chose BOTW 100 out of 100 times over Horizon. BOTW has more systems going on within the game world, more to do in the game world, has better atmosphere, honestly better everything when it comes to actually playing the game outside of visuals. BOTW on a switch looks like muddled dogshit, but good god is that game great.
None of this excuses their ludicrous pricing on Switch 2 stuff, but is more just intended to explain. That said. As those prices are indicating, a lot of people are getting close to their breaking point and can and will give it up if they need to.
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I’ll add a caveat here regarding the PS2: it was a DVD player. In fact ‘the’ DVD player for a lot of people. So its success was a combination of DVD’s, great games, brand loyalty after the PS1’s success and price, namely. The Switch was a hit mainly because of the hybrid nature of the system and it tapped into one of Nintendo’s recognized strengths, i.e. its portable hardware and handheld gaming experience.
As for Horizon, it’s a stealth game. Sadly that’s a ‘trope’ of modern AAA games that just won’t seem to go away, i.e. the “hide in long grass, observe enemy patrol pattern and stealth takedown” gameplay loop. Even Uncharted 4 did that as well.