MS needs to keep Zenimax exclusive

[BlackheartVinyl]

@anon28208215

starts around 1:15:00

Thanks. Jez’s part was interesting and well-thought out, but man, those other guys are annoying, haha

[anon28208215]

@BlackheartVinyl

Thanks. Jez’s part was interesting and well-thought out, but man, those other guys are annoying, haha

I don’t mind them except for Dee Batch, that dude is a clown extraordinaire and I’m glad Jez shut him up. I’m embarrassed that we’re both Canadian too.,

[BlackheartVinyl]

@anon28208215

I don’t mind them except for Dee Batch, that dude is a clown extraordinaire and I’m glad Jez shut him up. I’m embarrassed that we’re both Canadian too.,

One of them, I think Dealer said “Trash!” about a few games in a few minutes. I think that rhetoric is terrible.

[OneBadMutha]

@Shpeshal_Nick

If Microsoft are 100% all about making as much money as humanly possible, they’ll leave everything multiplat.

If they’re about striking a delicate balancing act of making money as well as improving Xbox’s position in the console market, then they’ll honour current agreements, keep Elder Scrolls Online multiplat and then basically lock all future projects to Xbox/PC while putting some stuff on Switch where it makes sense.

I think people under-rate the potential of Game Pass Ultimate in the minds of the investors. They don’t even spend 7.5 billion if they don’t think there is a pot of gold with Game Pass Ultimate’s tipping point. They want to make as much money as possible. They just don’t need to see those returns now. Giving up some of the now money to drive customers to their platform could result in more money over the long term. The way Nadella thinks with growth opportunities, it’s all about the long term vision. He will pass all the nickels on the way if it helps them get to their end goal faster.

Personally I receive no joy seeing Playstation gamers not playing Bethesda games yet Microsoft knows that in a few years when these games are releasing, 5G will have wider adoption, their tech will be better, it’ll be running off Series X APUs in Azure and Playstation gamers have a choice to play Starfield for $10 using their PS5 controller streaming on a shitty PC.

[Staffy]

@SheepDip

The more I think about it the more convinced I am that these games will all be Xbox exclusives. Imagine if Sony had purchased Bethesda. Would we be debating whether Sony might let Elder Scrolls stay on Xbox just to be a pal? Hell no, we’d be kissing the series goodbye. There would be zero serious discussion about the game remaining multiplat.

Personally I think Sony would have even tried all they can NOT to honor any deals MS may had made with Bethesda if the roles were reversed. I just don’t think very highly of Sony.

@DeoGame

…allout 76, Elder Scrolls Online and the mobile games excepted. However, if, for example, the new game from Tango isn’t performing 100% up to expectations, maybe they bring to PS5 for a small cash infusion. They also like Nintendo so maybe Id’s games can still come later. Depends on if Switch Pro is true and genuinely attempts to compete on power. But Starfield, Elder Scrolls, Fallout. Those are subscription sellers and platform sellers and they likely will remain exclusive unless… MS wants a bargaining chip. If Sony wants to go nuts on timed exclusives and blocking Crossplay, that’s their right, but even dangling a year later port of Elder Scrolls 6 is tantilizing. Maybe we see titles like Demon’s Souls and God of War come to Xbox in return. Snowball’s chance in hell of that happening though

Yep, can see that happening too. Some games not performing too well that they might decide that.

I can’t see Demon’s Souls or God of War happening, just as you said, but if Sony were to ease up on the timed exclusive stuff AND if they were to buy a huge studio and they would be willing to keep some games multiplatform…i would be fine with MS doing the same. But once Sony buys (for example) From Soft, it’s over, no more games on Xbox and Xbox should do exactly the same then.

Maybe I’m too negative, but if that were to happen I can actually see Sony pulling all kinds of moves to keep Elden Ring off of Xbox.

[Coda]

Would be a very bad look if they release ES6 or Starfield on PS5 while not releasing Deathloop and Ghostwire on Xbox.

[Staffy]

Starfield for example has been in development for many years now (Todd said 2.5 in 2018) so obviously a PS5 build exists. Do you think they now have the full team only focused on Xbox Series and PC? It’s probably impossible for us to know, because who knows what MS is planning for the release of this game.

But let’s say they ditch the PS5 for now and maybe announce the game for PS5 sometime after launch, all these folks that fully expect Starfield day one on PS5 will be in for a rude awakening for sure.

[pg2g]

The game having been in development for 4.5 years and still not shown this year during console reveals when it would have gotten a ton of attention is… weird. Wonder if they held back knowing that things were likely to change.

[WhiteDevilMan]

@TavishHill

making them focus on Xbox/PC means they consolidate their tech base around DirectX and advancing rendering tech in ways that make use of MS’s strengths.

This is why I lean more toward the 1 year to permanent exclusives. If MS pushes all of these studios to build around XVA and other Series capabilities that aren’t announced for PS5, why waste initial development cycles on the PS5? Push your games out leveraging the new tech as much as possible for the Series consoles and newer graphics cards and accommodate other PCs. Xcloud is assumed for most titles in this scenario.

After all that, you have a chance to monitor the release for patches and DLC. Once that is stable, do a market analysis and see if a switch/switch pro/PS5 release, based on their install base, is worth the development time to port and risk of reducing GPU subs.

[StarkyLuv]

@Charles_Alexander

…This attitude really bothers me. Why does Playstation have to be Microsoft’s opposition? Phil Spencer has said multiple times that three healthy platform holders is good for the business. Microsoft has the money and the influence to lead the industry into a better position. We have already seen that with cross play and game pass. What I want as a customer is great games to play. I don’t care who else gets to play them, especially if I can play with them using cross play. Timed exclusives are a terrible part of the business that I would love to disappear. I would very much like to see the barriers between consoles broken down further, and pc too come to that. Add keyboard support and let me play age of empires and crusader kings on my Xbox.

Because they are the opposition? And a hostile opposition at that. Why do people thing that MS is somehow play nice with Sony when Sony is exclusively antagonistic towards MS? The only way any Microsoft IP (outside of Minecraft) should appear on a Sony console is if Sony allows GamePass on the console. That’s it.

[NecuVise]

@Charles_Alexander

…This attitude really bothers me. Why does Playstation have to be Microsoft’s opposition? Phil Spencer has said multiple times that three healthy platform holders is good for the business. Microsoft has the money and the influence to lead the industry into a better position. We have already seen that with cross play and game pass. What I want as a customer is great games to play. I don’t care who else gets to play them, especially if I can play with them using cross play. Timed exclusives are a terrible part of the business that I would love to disappear. I would very much like to see the barriers between consoles broken down further, and pc too come to that. Add keyboard support and let me play age of empires and crusader kings on my Xbox.

Then Microsoft can scrap its xbox division and become a third party publisher. Exclusive offerings are the sole purpose of choosing one console over the other.

[AllianceOfficer]

@StarkyLuv

Because they are the opposition? And a hostile opposition at that. Why do people thing that MS is somehow play nice with Sony when Sony is exclusively antagonistic towards MS? The only way any Microsoft IP (outside of Minecraft) should appear on a Sony console is if Sony allows GamePass on the console. That’s it.

Idk I mean the MMOs (Fallout 76 and ESO) make sense there too

[StarkyLuv]

@AllianceOfficer

Idk I mean the MMOs (Fallout 76 and ESO) make sense there too

All games that are currently multi-platform will remains so. Phil already announced that.

[AllianceOfficer]

@StarkyLuv

All games that are currently multi-platform will remains so. Phil already announced that.

Does that mean they get added to PS5?

[StarkyLuv]

@AllianceOfficer

Does that mean they get added to PS5?

I literally just said that all currently multi-platform games will remain so. Phil already announced that.

I mean I literally typed that.

[Staffy]

That means Ghostwire and Deathloop (damjed timed exclusives even these two), the DOOM expansion and I think that’s about it then?

Both Starfield and TES VI didn’t have platforms announced even yet, just next gen.

[TavishHill]

Phil Spencer should very publicly commit to releasing all XGS games on PS5 via Game Pass. When Sony refuses (since it’d bankrupt PlayStation eventually if GP was actually allowed), Phil can be the good guy and Sony can be the bad guy for blocking their playerbase from accessing the best deal in gaming. Then Phil can be justified in keeping everything Xbox/PC-exclusive.

~win~

[LucasTaves]

@Charles_Alexander

…Again I think there is a bit of old fashioned thinking going on here. For Microsoft the ecosystem they want you on is Xbox live and gamepass. Their ambition isn’t to sell 100 million Xboxes, it is to sell 200 million or more gamepass subscriptions. If they release their games on playstation they can make players log in to Xbox live to play them. They can encourage Playstation users to download the Xbox phone app to track friends and achievements, and while they are there they can point out that they can keep playing starfield on the go with game streaming. The clearest example of Microsoft’s thinking is steam. Steam is a direct competitor to Microsoft’s own Windows store but they were perfectly happy to release their games there and have done very well in the process.

While I agree that they are focusing on subs, I don’t think ps5 equals to steam.

If you are on steam you already are on a platform that has the whole Ms embedded with Xbox. You have achievements, friends list, and gamepass is a click away. Also we know their goal is to get gamepass into steam and we know it’s possible given EA Play.

On Playstation they can’t get nothing like that. They don’t get Xbox achievements to hook people into their social ecosystem. They don’t get active users on Playstation to be able to see, talk and chat with Xbox users and they don’t get gamepass on Playstation.

And I think that would cause the opposite effect. If the person on ps5 has access to all the games but don’t need to sub or even access Xbox live they will keep ignoring it, instead of being drawn to the ecosystem like a Elder Scrolls 6 skipping ps5 might do.

[ZeroCool]

Spend 7.5 BILLION to let your competition reap the benefits for free? LMAO WWSD?

[DeoGame (Farewell)]

@LucasTaves

…think ps5 equals to steam. If you are on steam you already are on a platform that has the whole Ms embedded with Xbox. You have achievements, friends list, and gamepass is a click away. Also we know their goal is to get gamepass into steam and we know it’s possible given EA Play. On Playstation they can’t get nothing like that. They don’t get Xbox achievements to hook people into their social ecosystem. They don’t get active users on Playstation to be able to see, talk and chat with Xbox users and they don’t get gamepass on Playstation. And I think that would cause the opposite effect. If the person on ps5 has access to all the games but don’t need to sub or even access Xbox live they will keep ignoring it, instead of being drawn to the ecosystem like a Elder Scrolls 6 skipping ps5 might do.

Steam also requires Windows 10 to play Xbox games which brings you into the greater MS ecosystem.