More details about PlayStation Spartacus tiers

[Searsy82]

@TheBrightestSun

Indeed. If Sony starts FUDing, Game Pass might be in trouble - especially in trouble. Imagine spending money on making Day 1 games in Game Pass, but due to FUD people will believe that all of that is trials or demos

[Mort]

@SpiderLink

If it’s a thing where like you pay $16 a month, save data carries over, you get a link to the store when the demo ends and they knock off like 5 bucks as a courtesy, I can see people thinking that’s worth it even though it isn’t really. Curious to see what the service actually provides. Like Prog, I’m a bit anxious about what this might mean for Game Pass, but I do also think that MS will put their entire weight behind it because it’s their priority at the moment.

Nah, you have to be a bit special in the head to consider that anything but a dumb deal.

It will mean only good things for Game Pass I think, no need to be anxious. You can be pissed about the stupidity of the Cult and the fanboism in media but there’s nothing to worry about. I might have my concerns about other things, but Game Pass is the one thing I’m absolutely certain MS will succeed in. If they feel threatened they will just buy more content, like that is the one thing we can be certain of from the Activision deal; a shitload of games will come to Game Pass, now and in the future. They will continue on that road and there is not a chance in hell Sony can even begin to compete with MS when it comes to that.

[SheepDip]

I don’t know Jeff Grubb so I might just be blowing hot air, but you almost get the impression that he’s aware of his Xbox-friendly rep and is going out of his way to praise Sony to appear more neutral.

[Mort]

@TheBrightestSun

… Indeed. If Sony starts FUDing, Game Pass might be in trouble - especially in Europe. Imagine spending money on making Day 1 games in Game Pass, but due to FUD people will believe that all of that is trials or demos After all, what new Spartacus will offer

Day 1 games Day 1 trials of first parties old games via BC some discounts streaming

In general consumer eyes this offering is no different than Game Pass. Especially with marketing like "Day 1 Games* " with note (3 hour trial)

On one hand you have a point in that Sony will tout it as a GP competitior, and they will have Cultists and more importantly, media doing the heavy lifting in that department, also people are quite ignorant. On the other hand, this can all be combated by a strong marketing from Xbox, which i really hope will be a thing going forward.

I’m not worried this will be a problem tbh.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Mort

I’m not worried this will be a problem tbh.

It might be if Sony becomes the first one to market it decently in Europe, where Game Pass is not that well known. Not to mention it is the part of PS+ but with new benefits essentially.

[Mort]

@SheepDip

I don’t know Jeff Grubb so I might just be blowing hot air, but you almost get the impression that he’s aware of his Xbox-friendly rep and is going out of his way to praise Sony to appear more neutral.

I don’t know what’s happened to him tbh. If it is like you say, that is rather silly. Journalists should not be bothered about appearing friendly to anyone, they should report facts.

[Mort]

@TheBrightestSun

It might be if Sony becomes the first one to market it decently in Europe, where Game Pass is not that well known. Not to mention it is the part of PS+ but with new benefits essentially.

Well, they are not first though are they. Xbox might be nowhere to be seen, but Game Pass is known. It is especially strong on PC.

[BadNews]

Gamepass def needs much better marketing and hammer down full game day ones . I could see the unaware shrug off gamepass being similar to Spartacus

[peter42O]

Not expecting anything good out of this subscription service and someone somewhere compared Spartacus to Nintendo Online which definitely seems to be a far more accurate comparison than Game Pass which is far superior in literally every way.

Plus, unlike what Spartacus looks like and Nintendo Online, Microsoft doesn’t lock previous generation games behind a paywall.

Seriously, while I love the majority of Sony’s exclusives, they literally have nothing else of value and this service is going to be total and complete shit if what’s listed in the opening post turns out to be accurate.

[windblast]

Forget about PS5 1st party games on the service. How about all PS4 1st party games (atleast not the cross-gen ones). What. Sony still need to sell that old arse Uncharted 4 copies somewhere in their bunker for extra $$$?..

[Mort]

@BadNews

Gamepass def needs much better marketing and hammer down full game day ones . I could see the unaware shrug off gamepass being similar to Spartacus

Yes, this definitely hinges on Microsoft Gaming getting their marketing in order. I think things will be different once the strong point of Game Pass, the day 1 first party games, is actually rolling on full steam. Starfield will be the kick-off is my bet. That’s the first big game that will appeal to a lot of new people outside the Xbox ecosystem currently.

[KageMaru]

@ProgStopper

“and these features should make PS Plus look much stronger in comparison to Xbox Game Pass. While Sony will not include full versions of its blockbuster games in PS Plus on day one, game trials will at least give a bigger audience a chance to sample those games.”

Go home Jeff you’re drunk.

I think the key word there is “look”. To the average consumer, a larger catalog can look like a better offering than a more curated selection. What he’s saying isn’t entirely wrong even if it may not entirely reflect each service.

Even though Spartacus won’t offer day one 1st party releases, it can still be a good service that offers value for the price. Just because it may not be as good as GP, that doesn’t mean it’s bad.

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@KageMaru

I think the key word there is “look”. To the average consumer, a larger catalog can look like a better offering than a more curated selection. What he’s saying isn’t entirely wrong even if it may not entirely reflect each service.

Even though Spartacus won’t offer day one 1st party releases, it can still be a good service that offers value for the price. Just because it may not be as good as GP, that doesn’t mean it’s bad.

I see what you’re saying, but very few are saying that PS+/Spartacus would be bad, especially Prog’s response. The issue he, I, and others have is that quote implies that despite being more expensive and not having feature parity “these features should make PS Plus look much stronger in comparison to Xbox Game Pass”. There’s no room for interpretation there about game catalogs, featureset, etc. and it’s why I reached out to Jeff for clarification privately (and am still awaiting a response).

It reads like someone spinning a narrative that’s not exactly matched by the data at hand.

[BRiT]

I took it as “these features should make PS Plus look much stronger than not having them when in comparison to Xbox Game Pass”. That’s what I feel is a reasonable take, but that isn’t what was said. Missing out on the fragment “than not having them when” makes a big difference in meaning. Hopefully we’ll get refinements in Grubb’s statement.

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@BRiT

I took it as “these features should make PS Plus look much stronger than not having them when in comparison to Xbox Game Pass”. That’s what I feel is a reasonable take, but that isn’t what was said. Missing out on the fragment “than not having them when” makes a big difference in meaning. Hopefully we’ll get refinements in Grubb’s statement.

That’s my point, we can all infer things but the words that are used matter… and those words don’t seem to leave room for interpretation when you directly compare to another piece (in this case: subscription) like Jeff did.

[ProgStopper]

@BRiT

I took it as “these features should make PS Plus look much stronger than not having them when in comparison to Xbox Game Pass”. That’s what I feel is a reasonable take, but that isn’t what was said. Missing out on the fragment “than not having them when” makes a big difference in meaning. Hopefully we’ll get refinements in Grubb’s statement.

Indeed.

It’s the difference between “Let’s eat kids” and “Let’s eat, kids”.

[Djbirdman26 (Davis)]

I’m not to worried about don’t stealing most of the day one streaming games from Microsoft. Remember them money hatting games is then paying for the loss sales on Xbox. Then getting streaming games day one they are paying for the loss sales on playstation.

Being the market leader makes it more expensive to get streaming versus money hatting the games. Which could explain why some third party games only come to Xbox and not pc.

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@Djbirdman26

I’m not to worried about don’t stealing most of the day one streaming games from Microsoft. Remember them money hatting games is then paying for the loss sales on Xbox. Then getting streaming games day one they are paying for the loss sales on playstation.

Being the market leader makes it more expensive to get streaming versus money hatting the games. Which could explain why some third party games only come to Xbox and not pc.

Yeah, I think it’s important to remember that Microsoft will win and lose some, same as Sony, especially as Xbox continues on the current trajectory (I’d argue they’ve already surpassed the point of being a necessity in any gamers’ homes, but with ABK and further acquisitions/partnerships, that’s even more so the case).

[TavishHill]

@ProgStopper

“and these features should make PS Plus look much stronger in comparison to Xbox Game Pass. While Sony will not include full versions of its blockbuster games in PS Plus on day one, game trials will at least give a bigger audience a chance to sample those games.”

Go home Jeff you’re drunk.

Huh? Going from ’ no day 1 games from 1P’ to ‘you can try 1P games beforehand for a bit’ is definitely a stronger value prop than it was rumored to be. I wonder if they would let users do these trials before the game is actually out, which would increase that appeal by a bit further.

Didn’t they do the game trials thing before anyhow? And iirc, it was kinda badly incorporated where the clock started ticking the moment it was queued up to download or something? I suppose this time they would do that kinda thing for all 1P games. Kinda feel like pricing is awkward too. Not unfair, but awkward.

[Fiendflag]

@SheepDip

I don’t know Jeff Grubb so I might just be blowing hot air, but you almost get the impression that he’s aware of his Xbox-friendly rep and is going out of his way to praise Sony to appear more neutral.

Totally agree, I like the dude but it’s not even subtle at this point that he is trying (and really ungracefully at that) to appear as more “neutral” with his recent hot takes/articles.