Games Analysis |OT| Time To Argue About Pixels And Frames!

Just a quick cash grab before they move on to their AAA Epic funded projects. Let’s hope they fix that stuttering issue.

That would be me.

Next-gen optimized games or games with next-gen SKUs:

Series X > PS5: Watch Dogs Legion, Destiny 2 (maintains a higher resolution, better antialiasing, higher minimum frame rate), Mortal Kombat 11, DiRT 5 (with the new patch), DMC V (3/4 modes), Black Ops Cold War (2/3 modes), Borderlands 3 (all modes the same except for the 120 FPS one, where the X outperforms, PS5 has better foliage and shadows because of the PS4 Pro legacy, Series X has One S assets because it wasn’t One X enhanced), Fortnite (holds better frame rate), Hitman 3 (added just now).

PS5 > Series X: AC Valhalla, Immortals: Fenyx Rising, DMC V (1/4 modes), Black Ops Cold War (1/3 modes).

No noticeable difference: For Honor, Control UE.

All games have shorter loading times on the Series X except for Borderlands 3.

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Just had people telling me that PS5 is washing Series X

That sounds cool! Did you play it on XSX too before the patch? I did yesterday and I wasn’t that impressed, didn’t seem all that sharp. So it’s definitely better than that? Even though the resolution is the same as One X.

Judging by early next gen games, I think most games next gen are not going to have huge visual improvements. I think the UE5 demo is a good indication in the direction new gen games will take, things like higher poly and detailed environments, more svoggi dynamic lighting, more on screen chracters. The big changes this gen will bring is in game design for example the next GTA could have flights to different islands over vast distances, more simulation aspects reguarding NPC’s, traffic, weather, and things like police.

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Yeah, it looks better. I did play the Xbox One X version on XSX. It still wasn’t perfectly fluid and had issues. On XSX It’s rendering at 1440p but it looks miles better. There is still stuttering and the game crashed two times in RT mode though, but it probably will be patched. Nonetheless, RT mode blew me away.

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I’m still from the perspective of Xbox needed to make sure they were not in the backseat as far as power goes like they were in 2013.

I remember before the spec reveals and how so many insiders were saying PS5 was 13TF monster and would crush the Series X. Obviously that did not happen, the power crown goal post was moved around after the Spec reveal and SSD talks were all the rage.

So coming from the perspective of Series X not having a low powered narrative hanging around it’s neck all gen we are in a real good spot. Also the SSD talk died as quite often Series X has faster loading speeds, faster memory bandwidth can certainly help.

So if these stale mate DF’s get you down remember how bad it would have been had the PS5 actually had a real power advantage with all the memes and narratives that would have been flying around.

Series X is in a good spot with VRS 2.0 on the horizon and actual hardware built for AI upscaling from MS and AMD once developed. That and the raw CU advantage should give Series X alot more headroom to grow.

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Checking comparisons of every game takes time and people are just lazy, but if we take an advantage on 1/3 modes in a game as 0,33 points, an advantage on 1/4 modes as 0,25 points and an advantage on a game with only one mode as an entire point…

XSX has 8.41 points

PS5 has 2.58 points.

Without taking into account that 99% of games load faster on Series X, too.

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I’d like to see a comparison video of RT on and off on XSX. I’m sure one will arrive soon.

Stop talking to those people.

Where was this?

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@Staffy

It is radical. I didn’t expect that. There so much reflections lost without RT. And I think it’s still fluid in 30 FPS.

Some devs are better than others.

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twitter lol

The same place some clown was at before XSX came out. He had made a Witcher 3 clip showing how much longer the loading was on XSX compared to PS5. But then I loaded the exact same part of the game and it was exactly the same as PS5. People go far with their fanboy nonsense.

It’s still not appropriate to frame the video title as equating PS5 with being ‘the’ next gen version as if in a vacuum. They have done this several times now. Valhalla had an Xbox marketing deal, yet they also made a video specifically to compare the PS5 version (as ‘the next gen version’) to the PC version well after DF had their own hands on time with the Xbox version, so it’s not just the marketing deal angle nor does the argument that ‘that’s the only version we had on hand’ make much sense. They did a CoD video that was framed exactly the same way the Control video was (note: I defended them when that happened on the basis of their being open about it!), but that was paid for by Activision and indirectly by Sony via their marketing deal. It should not be the case that all videos of this sort are being framed in their titles/content exactly as if there was some sorta deal/sponsorship as in the CoD case, or in a way as to suggest PS5 is the only next gen platform out there.

If anyone thinks this doesn’t matter much, I’d ask them consider explaining that to the companies shelling out millions for these marketing deals where the only purpose is to associate their platform with the game. Obviously it makes a notable difference for both MS/Sony, lest they would not have been buying marketing deals for the past decade.

I don’t think it is conspiratorial at all to imagine that gaming press outlets might cater their content and headlines to what drives more audience engagement. Anyone suggesting otherwise frankly does not live in the modern world. That is the norm, not some fringe conspiratorial notion. The idea that gaming press somehow is the only form of press that inherently cannot be biased or cannot use clicks to guide how they communicate information is bizarre.

There is a middle ground between accusing every outlet under the sun of being anti-Xbox and dismissing all possible criticisms with ‘hurr durr persecution complex conspiracy lulz!’. The real world press landscape exists in that middle ground. To be totally clear here, it isn’t a result of bias for or against a platform in the individuals making the content. It’s a bias towards catering to the largest audience even if that means bending coverage a little bit here and there. It might be promoting one console over the other one day, or inverted sometime down the line, or focusing on a controversial game far more than would be merited. Chasing engagement is a cancer for the gaming press and I hope DF isn’t going down that rabbit hole the way others in the press have.

I think ppl want to feel above the fray and to feel even keeled or whatever, so their neutral position is to assume anyone criticizing must be playing a victim card or demonstrating persecution complex. Ppl then presume the motivations behind the criticism must be bad faith childish fanboyism and then dismiss/ignore/twist any actual nuance to the critiques to be farcical. Much easier to just alter critiques towards something ppl can easily dismiss instead of having an actual discussion about legitimate, nuanced criticism.

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They chose PS5 for control because they made that video before the game was out and had Pre release code for PS5 only.

They choose PS5 for ACV because at the time it was the best performing console version.

On for example Watch Dogs Legion they did a Series X vs PC video looking at RTX. Not PS5.

Honestly people read way way too much into all this.

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  1. They did have Control on XSX when making this video. Alex says so in the vid when he mentioned Tom was already finishing the comparison video up.

  2. The purpose of the Valhalla vid was to compare next gen consoles to PC settings, not to compare the two next gen versions to each other. Also, the comparison was for graphics settings, which are identical on PS5/XSX for Valhalla…so the premise of your argument here is wrong.

  3. Wrt WD Legion, you are misrepresenting my point. I am NOT saying that they are anti-Xbox. I AM saying that they might be chasing clicks/engagement. When they made their WD RT video it was an open question if XSX and XSS could really do RT since no games prior to that point had shown it off on final hardware, so it made sense to have a video focused on that question as it would attract Xbox and PSX audiences. And yet, it got as many views in 2 months as the Control PS5 video got in 2 days, which sends a rather strong message to them about what audiences to target. Thereafter, they didn’t do any Xbox specific framing for any of their videos and instead did lots of PS5-centered framing to target the larger audiences most likely.

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