I’m getting the new Series X next year for Wi-Fi 6 (should have been in the launch model really ) but also hope that we have a Series Pro the year latter to keep up with the PS5 Pro while its sounds like kids talk. I’ve always liked and got used to Xbox having the GPU advantage.
I also don’t believe what corps tell us publicly and now with the deal done. Xbox are really free to do what they want. I’ve already seen a big different in Xbox promotions so hoping the hardware men and women are now hard at work on a PS5 Pro counter.
Not that I really fell either the PS5 or Series X have fully been taken advantage of yet or pushed that hard nothing on the levels of how hard the One and PS4 were pushed last gen 3 years in
But you aren’t acknowledging that the PS4 was relatively more powerful compared to Xbox one than the XBSX is compared to PS5. The fact is that it had a more significant delta in GPU performance.
2 teraflops is not as big a difference relative to the power of the machines and the slight difference in architecture seems to have helped the PS5 with cross gen games.
There is absolutely no economic business case for a pro version of the series consoles. Not one that makes any sense. MS are already losing huge sums of money on hardware and we know have restricted production of hardware for that reason.
They are not going to subsidise a more powerful box by an even greater amount so therefore releasing a more powerful $800 Xbox would rely on sales volume. Sales they aren’t seeing even at the lowest price point for the next gen consoles.
So I think the chances of a more powerful series console releasing are as close to 0 as you can get.
It was only more powerful for GPU and memory and the GPU difference wasn’t as marked as the GPU power difference between the Series X and PS5.
Maybe userbase is the real advantage and the apparent better tools from SONY means that for the last gen and this generation 3rd party developers put more effort and time into the PS version and its format leads the development process
You are making the assumption that Xbox would sell the Series X Pro at a loss that wasn’t a move Xbox did with a One X and it was reflected in the price. It was a premium product and diehard consoles gamers will pay a premium price for their brand like many of us Xbox die hard gamers did with One X
It will also not look good if on every YouTube and internet comparison the PS5 Pro version comes out on top with every game by a massive margin with a Series X version barley outdoing a PS5 version if at all.
It will not be a good look. I really don’t want to have the need to buy a PS5 Pro to get the best looking and playing version of a console game but I will if Xbox don’t counter the PS5 Pro
Regarding the pro console for either platform, a true upgrade will at the least be 50% expensive.
Playstation can achieve it by increasing the silicon area, little clock speed increase and better RT architecture. Playstation has there hands tied on clock speeds. They are already high. PS5 pro can achieve 2x performance
Xbox has there hands tied on silicon area. Investing in even bigger silicon will be too expensive. This is why Phil is not interested in mid gen upgrade. There only option is to have a mid gen 1.5 upgrade. But that needs to be done smartly. And they can do it by overclocking the current chip by 50% clock speed and putting heavy cooling solution. This way they can achieve 50-60% performances improvements for 20-25% of price increase only.
Saw some talk about that new IPhone, that it apparently is more powerful than a Series S. I would hope so for a device that costs almost 1500 euros, lmao. Sure, it’s a phone and it’s absolutely cool that these things are becoming that much more powerful but no way in hell would I ever spend such money on a phone.
I also doubt it will really look on par with nowadays console gaming when connected to bigger screen TVs, right?
When these consoles have only increased in price, I think Sony will do very well to get the Pro under £600 as it makes no sense to sell it at a loss, especially as we know their margins are already tight.
It is the reason I suspect that Xbox is forgoing it this time, as in their mind the financials do not add up.
I’ve been reading some threads in other forums & some people are speculating next-gen Xbox could arrive early, aka by late 2026. This would be a repeat of sorts of the 360 generation when they pre-empted the PS3 release & got to the market first.
So in that scenario there would be no mid-gen Xbox refresh; there would only be PS5 Pro late 2024 - next-gen Xbox late 2026 - then PS6 in 2028 or thereabouts.
Personally I’d find this very exciting & much better than splitting the userbase between a base model & an upgraded one, i.e. just shorten the duration of a console gen & ignore Sony’s release schedule (aka don’t let them dictate the market like in 2013 & 2020). As a consumer, I’d much prefer shorter console generations (6 years seems fair considering tech advancements) rather than long generations with the option of an ‘upgrade’ which is still joined at the hip to the architecture of the base machine.
As much as I want an early Xbox next gen, Phil basically said next gen was starting in 2028 during the trials. It’s possible he was talking about only Playstation, but what are the chances of that?
15 PM is not more powerful than a Series S. Maybe youre thinking of the M3 Max laptop? Even that I’m not sure is. I think it was some Snapdragon X arm chip that was announced that has like 4.3 TF of compute.
The One X was definitely needed as the One was underpowered and the brand needed something to boast about.
But you also had an easy marketing angle with 4K, now it is not as simple and I highly doubt you can get an appreciable jump in performance at a reasonable cost. The jump from the One to the One X was massive on the GPU side and people sort of forget this.
MS is not beholden to all their business plans discussed in a trial, unless the court specifically ruled they must abide by that. Next gen is just a placeholder at this point.
The Xbox One released in 2013, the Series came out in 2020. That’s 7 years. 2028 would be an 8 year generation… which without a mid-gen upgrade would be way too long IMO considering the pc side of things will have totally left consoles in the dust by then.
I think mid-gen upgrades aren’t a great solution because the architecture is held back by the original hardware. This happened to the One X (the CPU was a bottleneck). The PS5 Pro will still just be a PS5 with some extra frames & polish (just like the PS4 Pro was a very ‘slight’ incremental improvement on the base PS4).
It’s all just speculation but imagine Elder Scrolls VI launching day one on new hardware with all the bells & whistles of more horsepower? Along with a new next-gen COD on GamePass? There would be some real hype & momentum.
I had the One X. I think its greatest merit was actually in laying the foundations for the Series X having better multiplat versions of backwards compatible games released between 2017 & 2020. For example Red Dead Redemption 2 runs better on the Series X than the PS5 because the One X version had higher resolution.
I think this sounds good but it depends on the realities of tech available in 2026 - in other words what spec and cost point you can hit then. If it’s not much more than PS5 Pro and then PS6 comes in 2 years later with much more power it might not work out in the way we’d hope.
It will purely depend on the availability of tech to underpin a meaningful next gen upgrade that lets face it requires a much larger jump in power than previous generations. Doubling the power of the series x which itself may be very tricky in 2026 at a reasonable price and heat budget is not going to make an appreciable difference that would satiate the ‘next gen’ desires.