Games Analysis |OT| Time To Argue About Pixels And Frames!

[BRiT]

@BaronVonStocker

hopefully these findings get sent back to FROM so they can see if they can optimize it more

Valve does have an open GitHub project for Proton, so anyone can look at the changes they did. Proton is the layer that translates DirectX to Vulkan so it can run on Linux. The comments for the checkin and the changed code gave me (a non-game developer) a general idea of what was being misused/abused by FromSoft. I gave a glance over them last week when the first changeset was linked.

It should be a big red flag hilight for FromSoft on where to look. Something that any involvement by a tech team from Nvidia, Amd, or Microsoft would have identified rather quickly.

[Resist]

FromSoft has never fixed the performance in their games to an acceptable level. Especially on consoles.

[andrew_schmidt (HaloGaming08)]

@KageMaru

I was really surprised how well Forza holds up. Some of the aspects around the lights, like how the headlights light up, i like better on GT7 but most of the other aspects I like FM7 better.

I can’t wait to see what Turn 10 does with FM. I’m mostly interested in the updates to the physics models.

Arent they overhauling their Engine like 343 did

[Staffy]

@Resist

FromSoft has never fixed the performance in their games to an acceptable level. Especially on consoles.

But what about things like loading times that for no good reason just aren’t good on XSX at all? I probably should not get my hopes up.

[Hue]

@Staffy

But what about things like loading times that for no good reason just aren’t good on XSX at all? I probably should not get my hopes up.

I do wonder if that is the difference between PCI-E 4.0 x2 and x4 speeds (if your comparing Xbox and PS5) or if it’s simply just a lack of optimising.

As Jon (sikamikanico) pointed out the other week (on Boxenbergers podcast) there was a test on Digital Foundry using a x2 m.2 and the difference in loading was less than a second so maybe not. It wouldn’t explain why it’s 6-7 seconds on PS5 and 12-13 seconds on S/X.

Maybe it’s part of the other underlying architecture in the PS5?

[BaronVonStocker]

@Hue

I do wonder if that is the difference between PCI-E 4.0 x2 and x4 speeds (if your comparing Xbox and PS5) or if it’s simply just a lack of optimising.

As Jon (sikamikanico) pointed out the other week (on Boxenbergers podcast) there was a test on Digital Foundry using a x2 m.2 and the difference in loading was less than a second so maybe not. It wouldn’t explain why it’s 6-7 seconds on PS5 and 12-13 seconds on S/X.

Maybe it’s part of the other underlying architecture in the PS5?

Its more then likely a optimization issue since the difference in loading times between the series consoles and the last gen consoles was rather low for Elden ring, which has not been the case for a vast majority of other games so far.

I would also like to mention that I have completed the game and even though death is frequent I never felt like I was waiting overly long to try another attempt on the series x

[Kals_Els]

@BRiT

… Another comment on EldenRing shortfalls:

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If the Xbox tech group/bc team where to be given permission I think they would be able to just fix Elden Ring like how it was fixed here and how they fixed Dark Souls 3 with the 60fps mode.

[Staffy]

@Hue

I do wonder if that is the difference between PCI-E 4.0 x2 and x4 speeds (if your comparing Xbox and PS5) or if it’s simply just a lack of optimising.

As Jon (sikamikanico) pointed out the other week (on Boxenbergers podcast) there was a test on Digital Foundry using a x2 m.2 and the difference in loading was less than a second so maybe not. It wouldn’t explain why it’s 6-7 seconds on PS5 and 12-13 seconds on S/X.

Maybe it’s part of the other underlying architecture in the PS5?

But wasn’t there even a complaint that a SATA HDD was faster than the XSX SSD with loading times in the game? Maybe that was BS after all.

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

@Ironfistchinmi

It isn’t? The only part of it that seems slow, is the wait times between online races, which is likely a network thing, everything else is fast in my experience.

I use fast travel a lot and it is very very fast indeed…

Loading that much detail in such short time is very impressive

Only online stuff is slow… Which again is completely different issue

[Hue]

@Staffy

But wasn’t there even a complaint that a SATA HDD was faster than the XSX SSD with loading times in the game? Maybe that was BS after all.

Hmm I don’t remember that one, just so I understand a SATA HDD in the Series X/S was faster then it’s own internal M.2?

Perhaps it’s just more difficult to implement on Xbox

[Resist]

Apparently Series X performance in Elden Ring is much better after patch 1.03

[Khalid117x]

@Resist

Apparently Series X performance in Elden Ring is much better after patch 1.03

I already had no problems with performance on series X so far. But load times could be faster

[Kals_Els]

@Resist

Apparently Series X performance in Elden Ring is much better after patch 1.03

How much better? And where can I watch the performance update?

[Staffy]

@Kals_Els

How much better? And where can I watch the performance update?

Yeah I’m curious about that too. Does that mean both framerate and resolution or only franerate?

[Kals_Els]

@Staffy

Yeah I’m curious about that too. Does that mean both framerate and resolution or only franerate?

I’m mostly worried about the frame pacing/rate because it was causing my eyes to hurt to play it, at least that was my experience, maybe it was something else about the game. But having a resolution bumb should be pretty good too, of course only if From can actually keep good performance with it.

[Staffy]

@Kals_Els

I’m mostly worried about the frame pacing/rate because it was causing my eyes to hurt to play it, at least that was my experience, maybe it was something else about the game. But having a resolution bumb should be pretty good too, of course only if From can actually keep good performance with it.

You don’t have a TV with VRR capabilities?

[Kals_Els]

@Staffy

You don’t have a TV with VRR capabilities?

I have an old monitor, but it wasn’t helping as much as I wanted it to, it probably wasn’t as good as an implementation as the LG oleds.

[Biggzy (Hassan)]

Introducing Radeon Super Resolution and FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0

So AMD has made a very important advancement with FSR that in my opinion makes it more interesting. It can now use temporal information to upscale an image, which will make the image look much better.

I think it will be very similar to UE5’s temporal up scaling, so don’t expect it to be of much use there, but for games like Dying Light 2 for example, which do not use temporal up scaling, this could be very useful there.

[BRiT]

It does not use MachineLearning at all, so will be interesting to see how well it compares to other algorithms.

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

@BRiT

It does not use MachineLearning at all, so will be interesting to see how well it compares to other algorithms.

Pretty much a solution on par with UE temporal upsacling is what I am expecting

It being readily available is what makes it important