I’m really happy you enjoyed the game so much, and by no means wish to take away from your enjoyment, but as a longtime FF enthusiast who even thorougly enjoys FF8 (the red-headed stepchild of FF, since you said you don’t care for the franchise), the game left a lot to be desired. Even though you said it’s only the second JRPG you’ve ever completed and you have no history with the original, I think you might just be attributing JRPG to turn-based games and the fact that FF is traditionally turn based, and prefer action orientated games like you said. If you’ve completed Dark Souls or Elden Ring, those are also JRPGs.
My personal feelings are, as a long-time JRPG fan, if you were to ask any JRPG enthusiast Xbox owner to choose between FF7R or P5R to come to Xbox, the majority will choose Persona. This says alot, because FF is the historic and known IP with a massive fanbase. Then you include P4G (my favorite) and P3P and the decision becomes a no-brainer. The reasons are:
FF7R was already expected to come to Xbox, for reasons in my OP, while Persona 5 was a pipedream everyone thought impossible given Atlus being Atlus and how Sony boasts about the franchise. I guess if you had to choose you’d have chosen the impossible versus the likely.
P5 and especially P5R are considered one of the best JRPGs ever created, with immeasurably more content and gameplay than FF7R (and probably even the entire trilogy when it’s all said and done). FF7R isn’t even considered the best of the franchise and has divided reception by enthusiasts.
This is not to say FF7R is a bad game; I’ve platinumed it but then again I’m an avid conpletionist and longtime FF fan so I’m a bad example, lol. I still believe it should release on Xbox to continue to grow the franchise and fanbase, and that it’s scummy to be gatekeeped away from an entire console/fanbase by a competitor that had zero development and involvement with the game(s), for the sole reason being money.
This feels like some monkey’s paw situation where Xbox got the most requested JRPG for the platform by far, including it’s two highly praised prequels, but then in exchange lost out on the most popular and known JRPG franchise that has it’s mainline games releasing day and date on Xbox since 2009 and a supposed FF alliance with even the old FF games releasing for the first time ever on Xbox. Feels like I’m in another timeline, lol.
P.S.- I think I meant to have two posts quoted but I’m kinda tipsy right now so if my post started rambling off then that’s why
I’m just not a fan of turn based RPG’s. They were awesome back in the day but now, I just don’t have the patience for them as they’re just way too slow paced. Never played Dark Souls or Elden Ring as im not into souls games. As for FF7R itself, the story lost me the last few hours and I wasn’t a fan of the shadow enemies.
I’m not a JRPG enthusiast whatsoever but if I had to choose between FF7R and P5R, im obviously picking FF7R because it’s more my type of game than PS5. I can’t say which JRPG the majority would prefer to get but im sure they would like both instead of having to choose. Obviously, you’re a bigger fan of Persona than Final Fantasy.
I don’t think that majority were expecting FF7R to come to Xbox once that first year passed because at that point, it seemed pretty clear that Sony locked it down and I expect them to do the same for FF XVI. I think over the last year plus, Persona was more likely simply because of Sony locking down FF and Microsoft being very close with Sega so that increased the chances of getting Persona as opposed to FF.
I can’t comment of Persona whatsoever as it’s not for me but vast majority of FF fans do consider the original FF7 to be the best in the franchise. I can understand why no one would choose FF7R mainly because it’s not complete yet so why would anyone pick it and second, it’s a remake of an all time classic.
As someone who’s not into JRPG’s all that much, FF7R was excellent in nearly every aspect for me to where Rebirth is day one and im highly interested in FFXVI. I know a lot of Xbox fans fully or partially blame Sony for not getting FF7R but I don’t blame them at all. It’s a smart business decision from their point of view and when it comes to timed/full exclusives, I always blame the publisher that’s accepting the deal 100% which in this case is Square Enix. When Microsoft paid for ROTTR, I didn’t get mad at Microsoft, in fact I bought the Xbox One ROTTR bundle day one so mission accomplished for them in that regard but it was Square Enix that accepted the payday for exclusivity.
Square Enix is the common denominator, not Sony or Microsoft. All these companies are in business to make money. If Square Enix believes that getting an upfront payday from Sony is worth more than selling the game on Xbox, then why wouldn’t they accept the deal? I see so many here want FF7R but very few of them are actually willing to buy the game for $70 but are more than willing to play it as part of their Game Pass subscription. They want to complain that they’re never getting the game but it’s like, what do you expect? lol.
Not only does all of that apply but also, Square Enix can always hold out to where Microsoft pays them for the ports and maybe even a Game Pass deal which if you’re running Square Enix, that’s an excellent business decision. People talk about growing the franchise but let’s be honest, they have the sales numbers of all their previous FF games on Xbox as well as other JRPG’s like Nier Automata, Nier Replicant and many others. If the sales numbers aren’t to where they feel it’s worth porting to Xbox, why would they do it? Square Enix simply takes the safe route by accepting paydays upfront.
Yeah, Square Enix released previous FF games on Xbox but let’s be honest, none of them are anywhere near the legacy or history of Final Fantasy VII. Also, when the deal was made in 2015, Xbox One wasn’t even a thought for majority of gamers so if you’re Square Enix, why wouldn’t you accept a Sony payday upfront? I for one wouldn’t be surprised to see more Square Enix games be full/timed console exclusives for PlayStation because if they get offered a payday upfront, they’ll always take it.
Just because it’s a two year old game on PlayStation doesn’t mean it’s the same for Xbox. It would be a NEW game for Xbox since you know, it currently doesn’t exist on Xbox.
You can’t keep saying you’re not a JRPG fan, have only completed two games, are not familiar with FF, etc and then tell me that I’m obviously a bigger fan of Persona over Final Fantasy, lmao. Like, what? I probably have over 10k hours in the franchise. I’ve played and completed/mastered almost every single FF game with the sole exception of FFXI, to include mobile games like Record Keeper. I have perfect game files for FF7, 8 and 9 on a PS1 memory card, to include full item perfectionist runs, and wiped the Sphere Grid for all characters in FFX to give everybody perfect stats on PS2 before achievements were a thing (and this isn’t even nessesary to do for the 200+ required hours needed for the newer ports to get all achievements/platinum). I have over 3k hours in FFXIV. The list keeps on. I’ve only ever played 3 Persona games, and two of them are the same game (P5 and P5:R), lol.
It’s not some farfrtched notion that longtime JRPG fans prefer Persona 5. Even the metacritic (87 vs 93, and P5 getting 93 is kinda crazy given that games with that type of gameplay don’t usually get anywhere near this score), user scores, and general consesus is this. I already stated that I’m really happy you are so enthusiastic about the game and tbh, given your specific tastes, it makes 100% sense. There’s nothing wrong with that. Obviously nobody should have to CHOOSE; that wasn’t even remotely my point.
That’s fine, but you’re wrong. The majority did assume it was coming to Xbox eventually; even PS fansites like I linked in my OP state this. The consensus was that it seems to be Sony extended contract to coincide with Intergrade and next gen. Anyone who has followed this closely can attest to this, or you can simply Google.
Persona was NEVER considered more likely by anyone with a modicum of understanding how Atlus works. In fact, for many years people have said it was wierd seeing Atlus disregard Xbox the way they do when SEGA and Microsoft have seemed like best buds. The general consensus is that Atlus is Atlus, and they’re known to do wierd and head-scratching things regarding their games that are far worse than no Xbox ports. They’ve lost millions by not releasing games on the biggest console in Japan, or avoiding a hungry and growing JRPG PC market in spite of record success by other companies. There’s whole memes for how Atlus’ business decisions never making sense because Atlus gonna Atlus.
The only reason some fans held out hope was that Phil openly acknowledged that he hears the fans requests for Persona, combined with his comments about Japan. But it was a pipedream that came to fruition.
I mean, yeah. But you said you’re not familiar with FF. Many fans are split between their favorite being
6, 7, 9, 10 (my favorite), 12 and 14. This isn’t solely because it’s a remake of a classic. I even know a few people that choose FF8 and even me as someone who loves the game to death can understand why many hate it.
Everyone is entitled to preferences and opinions, which I made sure to stress to you from the beginning. It’s great that you hold it in such extreme high regard, especially given your lack of enthusiasm with the genre. But again, it’s not even remotely close to wierd to point out the general consensus of gamers, critics, etc.
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As someone who’s not into JRPG’s all that much, FF7R was excellent in nearly every aspect for me to where Rebirth is day one and im highly interested in FFXVI. [/quote]
You’re keep unironically proving my point, lol.
If you read through the topic, for example, you might’ve understood better. Obviously the onus is on the publisher accepting the moneyhat. The general issue is that, AGAIN:
Sony and their purposeful obsfucation regarding exclusivity; there is a big difference between what was said in my OP, or for games like Crash Bandicoot, to being up-front from the get-go.
Just like you mentioned RotTR, why the overwhelmingly massive disparity between coverage of the two? Again, this has been mentioned by tons of commenters in here, if you bother to read. The disparity couldn’t be on more opposite ends of the spectrum.
Sony has been confirmed to extend contractual obligations behind the scenes, which leads to both point one and point two.
To speak about how things make sense for the corporation over the consumer the way you do is very odd. The same argument can be used for microtransactions, blocking crossplay, P2W, you name it. Smart business decision for the company, so why wouldn’t they do it, right? After all, all these companies are in it to make money just like you say.
This right here is straight bullshit and if I didn’t know any better, I’d say you’re deliberately arguing in bad faith.
Who are you to judge millions upon millions of Xbox gamers by like 4 people on a niche enthusiast forum?
Why would ANYBODY be happy to pay $70 for a game that maybe will release on Xbox three years after the competition, while said competition is exclusively enjoying the second part?
If NieR released a year late on Xbox for $50 and only digitally, and charted on Xbox for weeks/was successful in the end, then FF7R will still sell pretty decently, all things considered. That doesn’t mean enthusiasts like us can’t look at a $70 price tag and scoff. One of the biggest complaints for the Steam release is the price, considering Steam gamers also feel shafted (by EGS/SE).
If this entire thing came down to SE only (highly doubtful, which my OP proves), and them wanting a Game Pass bag and not getting one, then good on Microsoft for turning them down. Many here have already expressed this sentiment. I think most will prefer Microsoft give money to developers that don’t shaft their gamers, and there’s no shortage of devs out there to give that money to instead.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like this is the case.
You’re argument makes no sense and you’re contradicting your previous points. Tomb Raider was historically assosiated to PlayStation and the reboot sold more on PlayStation. SE still gave Microsoft an exclusive deal. How does sales numbers relate to this SE deal? Yeah they took the payday upfront, but the rest of this argument falls flat.
This also falls into lazy fanboy rhetoric territory where a franchises sale potential is critisized yet the franchise is nonexistant on the platform and therefore cannot grow and flourish to begin with.
Final Fantasy VII is literally on Xbox. SE also announced the prequel to FF7, in the same vein as FF7R, coming to Xbox day one which seems like a huge slap in the face to Xbox gamers. What are you talking about?
Yeah nobody is paying $70 for Final Fantasy 7 Remake so long after release. I already own the game twice. I purchased it once then PlayStation gave it away for free on PlayStation Plus. I suppose I could be persuaded to buy it for Xbox for $10-20.
After reading your reply and original post, I have realized that I was definitely wrong and mistaken on most aspects if not all of them and because of that, I will stop commenting. Apologies for wasting your time.
I’d definitely buy it for 20 bucks. I already beat it on PS4 but I beelined the story…I was hoping to do 100% on Xbox. Now I won’t bother with it.
And Yeah SE have a reputation of that…remember when KH 1 and 2 collection game to Xbox? 50 bucks per game despite being half the price on PS4. Then they were selling like crap at that price SE put it on Gamepass
You see I wouldn’t because of what happened with KH. Dropped in price fast and went to GP.
Now if it was 70 and stayed 70 for a while…I can understand. But its just the way SE like to milk their early adopters like this. They did the same thing with the PS5 version. 70 bucks at launch then they put it on PS plus a few months after. And they already had the PS4 version but they put PS5 version there too later
I remember when the KH collections went on sale not that long after release; one game was 67% off and the other was 75% off. I was glad to buy it at that price to own the games on Xbox even with having already owned the games on PS4. However, if I was solely an Xbox user, it would be a huge slap on the face to play $50-60 for these collections when:
These games were on the PS3; talk about an extremely late port
PS4 had the “All-in-One Collection” which included both collections for like $20 (there was a physical edition which went on sale often). Meanwhile, Xbox users had to pay, what, close to $100 MORE?
And yet many Xbox fans paid full price because they were happy to finally be getting these classics, and especially the newer fans who loved KH3 but never played the originals.
I mean i never paid for 2.8 Collection until it was 10 bucks. I did buy the first collection but at 40 bucks not 50, I got my moneys worth. 2 is amazing and i enjoyed BBS and the first one remastered.
Its not all bad…think of Switch owners having to pay full price for Cloud only versions…lol
All I’ll say is that I for 100% am not buying a 3 years late port for full price knowing that I will also wait again 3-4 years to play the next part. Definitely not happening!
I will never support Square Enix again as I said before. The only games I may buy is FF9 Remake and KH4. But who knows if KH4 will be exclusive or KH5 will be exclusive lol.
9 is my most favorite game ever so it is an exception if the remake would happen.
I recently picked up FF7R for full price on steam after it was announced, since it clearly isn’t coming to Xbox.
I’ve completed the game now and while the production value is very highb(AAAA game?), the game itself is highly average.
Maybe it’s because I never played the original, but the story was quite boring, predictable and overstayed it’s welcome. Which makes sense to me now reading online they stretched out 4-5 hours from the original into this 30 hour game.
I’m far more excited for the crisis core remake, I remember that game having an incredible story on the psp.
And this is coming from someone who very much enjoyed FF13 and 13-2, and would easily recommend these over 7R.
7R for me was an excellent game in parts but it was like a tech demo that felt incomplete.
Combat was great for the most part but controlling anyone except Tifa or Cloud was shit. I’m sorry BArret was garbage. Horrible to play as as was as Aerith but not as bad
The middle chapters were absolutely stunning and some of the best I’ve played in a JRPG in a long long time. When FF7R is at its best its really a fantastic game…but its too damn short, Sidequests are an afterthought and some of the latter chapters are just poorly paced and designed. And yeah…Story is just Nomura silliness. I do like the characters though and the whole Comaradery.
they have potential with part 2. But it needs to be more focused and have better sidequests. The Sidequests in 7R were straight from PS2 era JRPG’s.
My plan was to wait for xbox version to fully beat the game and do 100 percent. I literally beelines the story and did it under 25 hours. Not gonna ever play it again.
Yeah I got halfway through Hard mode and thought I’d wait until it came to Xbox to 100% it too. Thinking being that most of the side content is busy work and the hard mode is ridiculous so I might as well get 1000G from it.
I think with most modern JRPG’s, if you play the game on anything other than the hardest difficulty, you never really have to learn the actual battle systems. FF7R was basically a hack an slash for most of the game to me. Having said that though, that’s only something I really noticed after I had finished my time with the game and put it down, so it must have done a lot of things right in my eyes.
