Achievement Hunting |OT| Every point counts

Thanathorn · November 21, 2021, 10:34pm

It’d sad how PlayStation and Xbox both let some devs release half baked games with easy gamerscore/platinums. They’re completely devaluing the system.

CallMeCraig · November 22, 2021, 8:16am

Here are the results for week 62:

#	User	Gamertag	Initial GS	Final GS	Gains	Points
1.	@ShadowlessEdge	Shadowless Edge	650757	665757	15000	50
2.	@Zonky	Zonky	100200	104050	3850	48
3.	@KARMAgoesHARD	KARMAgoesHARD	661210	664515	3305	46
4.	@Plagueborne	The Wicked Soul	904252	907357	3105	44
5.	@Chyld989	Chyld989	399610	401670	2060	42
6.	@SheepDip	Ryuukishi634	394810	396160	1350	40
7.	@Mort	Mortaigne	161572	162877	1305	38
8.	@low187	ShadowArceus5	241493	242783	1290	36
9.	@Akosii	Akosii	355030	356045	1015	34
9.	@Scottish_Sin	Scottish Sin	553680	554695	1015	34
11.	dfunktjester	dFunkt jestEr	116067	117017	950	30
12.	BeardoN7x	BeardoA7x	107165	107940	775	28
13.	CRZYSPZ	CRZYSPZ	416645	417415	770	26
14.	Kreten	Cro Kreten	261708	262343	635	24
15.	DeusJabu	DeusJabu	167989	168564	575	22
16.	profjjj	profjjj	127867	128422	555	20
17.	Bugalugs214	bugalugs214	136371	136856	485	18
18.	Knottian	Knottian	221211	221671	460	16
19.	Cyime	Cyime	211995	212435	440	14
20.	TheSego	The Sego	152059	152489	430	12
21.	n0tjack	n0tjack	185483	185908	425	10
22.	UnveiledArk	UnveiledArk	371035	371435	400	8
23.	MasterLeePhD	Master Lee PhD	346159	346534	375	6
24.	APOPHIS1989	APOPHIS1989	324084	324454	370	4
25.	CallMeCraig	matsze	239031	239396	365	2
26.	FairyEmpire	baboy1337	424490	424815	325	1
27.	supercommodore	supercommodore	25377	25682	305	1
27.	xJavontax	xJavontax	48836	49141	305	1
29.	judge	judge	416950	417250	300	1
30.	dscharles	dscharles	67006	67291	285	1
31.	PhantomFox	PhantomFox75-460	65502	65762	260	1
32.	OneBadMutha	OneBadMutha	56843	57078	235	1
33.	Sikamikanico	Sikamikanico	133308	133518	210	1
34.	FunkyOne	Sir Funkified	244305	244505	200	1
35.	brunopcosta1	brunopcosta1	267652	267847	195	1
36.	Xumbrega	ctZz1	156205	156390	185	1
37.	BrigadiersBlue	Brigadiers Blue	70778	70948	170	1
38.	Running_Riot	BoutTreeFidy-208	45865	46025	160	1
39.	BananaBox39	MaidenLOKO	190670	190790	120	1
40.	Shadowgasm	Shadowgasm	337030	337145	115	1
41.	BadMoodJones	Junglee91	123621	123711	90	1
42.	MMarfil	MMarfil	105114	105194	80	1
43.	Foorbits	Foorbits	50398	50463	65	1
44.	Bluehawk357	BlueHawk357	113343	113398	55	1
44.	michael	Rngesus37	40242	40297	55	1
46.	TheSlickTony	TheSlickTony	110548	110573	25	1
47.	MrZweistein	MrZweistein	133450	133450	0	0

And here is the General Points Ranking for Season 2 including the above results:

#	User	Gamertag	Points
1.	ShadowlessEdge	Shadowless Edge	868
2.	Plagueborne	The Wicked Soul	838
3.	Zonky	Zonky	804
4.	profjjj	profjjj	770
5.	KARMAgoesHARD	KARMAgoesHARD	708
6.	MasterLeePhD	Master Lee PhD	636
7.	CallMeCraig	matsze	566
8.	Chyld989	Chyld989	556
9.	SheepDip	Ryuukishi634	555
10.	brunopcosta1	brunopcosta1	514
11.	Akosii	Akosii	442
12.	UnveiledArk	UnveiledArk	438
13.	n0tjack	n0tjack	435
14.	APOPHIS1989	APOPHIS1989	428
15.	FairyEmpire	baboy1337	420
16.	BadMoodJones	Junglee91	405
17.	Scottish_Sin	Scottish Sin	403
18.	judge	judge	395
19.	Mort	Mortaigne	369
20.	Knottian	Knottian	317
21.	BeardoN7x	BeardoA7x	299
22.	Bugalugs214	bugalugs214	293
23.	low187	ShadowArceus5	264
24.	OneBadMutha	OneBadMutha	252
25.	Shadowgasm	Shadowgasm	222
26.	dfunktjester	dFunkt jestEr	219
27.	Running_Riot	BoutTreeFidy-208	193
28.	CRZYSPZ	CRZYSPZ	186
28.	DeusJabu	DeusJabu	186
30.	FunkyOne	Sir Funkified	175
31.	PhantomFox	PhantomFox75-460	152
32.	Sikamikanico	Sikamikanico	134
33.	dscharles	dscharles	127
34.	Cyime	Cyime	113
35.	BrigadiersBlue	Brigadiers Blue	102
36.	xJavontax	xJavontax	98
37.	BananaBox39	MaidenLOKO	96
38.	supercommodore	supercommodore	80
39.	Xumbrega	ctZz1	56
40.	MMarfil	MMarfil	53
41.	MrZweistein	MrZweistein	51
42.	Foorbits	Foorbits	50
43.	Kreten	Cro Kreten	30
44.	TheSego	The Sego	22
44.	michael	Rngesus37	22
46.	TheSlickTony	TheSlickTony	20
47.	Bluehawk357	BlueHawk357	19

Every GamerScore earned from now until next Monday 06:20 AM (UTC) will count towards week 63’s ranking. Every GamerScore earned until December 1, 2021 06:20 AM (UTC) will also count towards Novembers ranking.

Don’t forget that this topic is first and foremost destined to talk about all your achievements and trophies, discuss completions and even try to gather people for a boosting session! The ranking is just a side activity to take part in.

Good luck everyone and happy hunting!

Chyld989 · November 22, 2021, 1:59pm

Nope, the system never had any value in the first place so they can’t possibly devalue it.

MasterLeePhD · November 22, 2021, 2:21pm

It does to a lot of people though. It would be in Microsofts best interest to keep people hooked to the system. I personally know a few people that never jumped ship last gen because they were so attached to their gamertag/score.

I really hope they see the value in achievements and update it for the people that still love collecting them.

Plagueborne · November 22, 2021, 2:50pm

They made the OG Holy Grail easy game backwards compatible so maybe it is a sign someone cares. Funny to think Avatar had a different achievement list in dev but changed at the last minute.

Chyld989 · November 22, 2021, 4:11pm

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I love collecting achievements, so it has value to me, but it doesn’t have any universal value so they can’t devalue it in that sense is what I meant. I personally don’t think those quick 1k games devalue it at all, but I understand that others might agree. I don’t know of a good way to “fix” it though without going back to someone arbitrarily deciding which games are allowed to have a full 1k and which aren’t.

According to Jason Ronald at Xbox achievements are being looked at some more to see if/how they want to update the system (full disclosure, I haven’t listed to this podcast, just going off of what’s said in the tweet): https://twitter.com/Crusader3456/status/1462459275398336512

Mort · November 22, 2021, 4:29pm

Making Achievements better:

A Platinum equivalent and somewhere to display it.
Rewards for some achievements.
Moving away from total GS as the “value” since it has been ruined completely by all the crap fodder games.
Separating games and DLC.

Shadowgasm · November 22, 2021, 4:55pm

I remember when they used to give out Avatar awards and gamer pics for certain achievements. It would definitely be cool if they figured out a cool new rewards system.

Also, it’ll probably never happen, but one way to solve the “value” issue would be to team up with TrueAchievements to integrate their TA score. Or, just come up with something similar. As it stands, they do show you the “rarity” of each achievement, but it doesn’t mean anything in the long run.

Mort · November 22, 2021, 4:57pm

Yes, the “TA-model” would be perfect!

SheepDip · November 22, 2021, 5:46pm

The only idea I want Xbox to copy from trophies is the automatic screenshot. That’s really cool. Other than that, don’t make it more like trophies. The reason I like gamerscore instead of trophies is that it doesn’t do those things.

Getting back to achievements unlocking avatar gear/themes/other outside-of-game awards would be great though.

Chyld989 · November 22, 2021, 6:49pm

Definitely agree with 1 & 4, not a fan of 2 & 3. 2 is fine if it’s something like Avatar awards again, but I’ve seen people suggest that they essentially be allowed to “spend” achievement points like money, which I’m very against.

As long as we can turn it off without completely disabling screenshots at a system level. I know in the older Battlefield games every time you leveled up it would take a video clip of it which was super annoying, but the only way to disable it was to completely disable recording at a system level, which I didn’t want to do. Make it an optional thing (or at least an option to not have the pop-up on your screen) and I’m on board.

BRiT · November 22, 2021, 6:52pm

Xbox had that at the start of Xbox One generation, except it was usually video clips captured. After many vocal complaints about that, it was scaled back and then removed entirely from future games by the developers.

SheepDip · November 22, 2021, 7:08pm

Yeah I remember it was excessive in Forza Horizon 2. Like it would save a video clip every time you got a decent skill chain. Felt really awesome and futuristic the first couple times, but then you were like, I don’t actually need 10 new clips every time I sit down to play.

Mort · November 22, 2021, 7:35pm

Yeah the rewards I’m thinking of is more in line with avatar stuff, backgrounds etc. Basically stuff for your profile.

Thanathorn · November 22, 2021, 8:39pm

My achievement suggestions.

Platinum equivalent and a leaderboard that shows your rarest platinums in order of rarity.
Take the True achievement score idea and apply it with a color scheme. Imagine you have a 60% competition rate, well now your gamescore number is colored gold, 80% and up will give your gamescore a platinum color. That way when you look at someone’s gamescore you’d have a better idea if they’ve been cheesing easy achievements or really been putting time into harder completions. Yes you could have 200,000 gamerscore but if it’s mostly coming from easy completions then you’ll have a bronze or silver coloured gamerscore.
rare achievements should be changed from less than 10% to less than 5%. I unlock rare achievements so often, especially with gamepass games that it doesn’t exactly feel special.
there should be a “100%” section when viewing a friends achievements to get a quick view of what games they’ve 100%. I have 74 completions but theres no way to show them off unless someone spends the time to scroll all the way through the hundreds of games i played

Chyld989 · November 22, 2021, 10:09pm

I definitely agree with this. Game Pass is amazing, but it has made a lot of achievements much rarer than they actually should be. I think Xbox actually counts every player that has booted up the game whereas TA only counts every player that has earned at least one achievement, so even that would help. There are some games I’ve quit out of before I got a single achievement because they were just that bad, but there are also games that I started by accident (or on purpose for a quest) but haven’t actually played past the main menu yet, so it’s silly to count me in that completion %.

binarymelon · November 23, 2021, 10:51am

Thanathorn:

… give your gamescore a platinum color. That way when you look at someone’s gamescore you’d have a better idea if they’ve been cheesing easy achievements or really been putting time into harder completions. Yes you could have 200,000 gamerscore but if it’s mostly coming from easy completions then you’ll have a bronze or silver coloured gamerscore.

rare achievements should be changed from less than 10% to less than 5%. I unlock rare achievements so often, especially with gamepass games that it doesn’t exactly feel special.

there should be a “100%” section when viewing a friends achievements to get a quick view of what games they’ve 100%. I have 74 completions but theres no way to show them off unless someone spends the time to scroll all the way through the hundreds of games i played

I really don’t like any of these ideas with the exception of adding a Platinum equivalent. I’ve never been a completionist when it comes to achievements/trophies. I’ve always treated them as some sort of gaming journaling system and not an epeen. It should be a record of your achievements, not something to lord over others.

SheepDip · November 23, 2021, 2:22pm

The “100% wall” is a great idea and really would just be bringing back something that was part of the 360 UI but not carried forward.

Here is my $0.02 about other ideas. I think the thing that’s great about gamerscore is its simplicity. It’s just a number. There is only one piece of context you need to understand it: that each game generally awards 1000 points. Now you have the information you need to appreciate how impressive a score is or to compare one score to another (again-- in general).

Consider the trophy system. Say my trophy level is 13. Is that good? What does that mean? Well, it’s generated from an obscure calculation based on the number of platinum, gold, silver, and bronze trophies you have. How much more is one trophy worth than another? How many trophies does each game award? Every game has one platinum, except when they don’t. It’s all complicated and arbitrary. That’s why I don’t want gamerscore to move closer to the way the trophy system does things.

Chyld989 · November 25, 2021, 3:25am

Forgot to post this the other day but I hit 400k while I was going through Knights and Bikes.

I still haven’t finished that one yet, but I’m working through Haven now to see if I can finish it before it leaves Game Pass (and so far I really, really like it).

Shadowgasm · November 25, 2021, 5:41am

Anybody know why they decided to completely hide achievement functionality from the Xbox PC app? When you clicked on a game it would drop down an info panel that would include the Achievement icon as well as your progress, but now it doesn’t. Also, under all of that it would actually show you all of the individual achievements and whether they were unlocked or not, and now that’s gone too.

I really don’t understand why they would hide all of that. The only way to tell if a game has achievements now (since not all pc titles in gamepass for pc do) is to check the “Capabilities” section and hope that it’s actually included (which isn’t even always the case).