They are a pretty reliable leaker for Persona stuff
The Playstation 5 pro seems like a bad idea but only time will tell. Iām expecting Sony will at some point have a show with a lot of PS5 games shown on the pro, with trailers of things like the Wolverine game, maybe the new IPs in development from the GOW developers, then there are still the moneyhats like Lost Soul Aside. Also, Archetypeās Exodus which they seem to have the marketing on. It could certainly be showcase to rival those of the past, they certainly have to dazzle people to give it any traction cos if they canāt this would be DOA.
I donāt think Xbox need to respond since the PC is a good enough response for them also, they still have the series S which would just result in a much bigger power disparity. I do recall Hargeet and some guys at the last Xbox June showcase had asked Jason Reynold what it would take to have a true premium NextGen console with all the features and I think they had gotten the reply of at least a thousand dollars. While $1000 would be amazing to have the equivalent of a 4090 in console form, I doubt it would sell unless they sell it like phones maybe even with phone providers with instalment-based pricing.
You can get the base Steam Deck for Ā£350/$399 which can play current gen games (PS5/XSX)ā¦ especially much better than the Switch can 
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Plus you can play Steam, Xbox and PlayStation exclusives.
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Playstation was also crossgen at the same time as Xbox this gen
Depends on if Xbox start next gen in 2026. The best case for MS would be PS5 pro in March 2025 and Xbox next in fall 2026
Cross gen gonna last more than 2 years next gen
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Donāt be so sure, things will change with AI involved in game development. I think we will go back to the 7th generation as far as development times are concerned.
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Playing all those games and in most cases, years later for Sony first party games at a lower resolution, lower frame rate and less visuals and graphics isnāt exactly enticing. I would much rather put that $400 towards a PlayStation 5 Pro to be perfectly honest with you.
True but unlike Microsoft, it wasnāt every game. Demonās Souls, Returnal and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart were all current generation only and included three games in eight months with one at launch. I had to wait over two years to get a current generation only game in Hi Fi Rush unless you want to count the Deathloop port.
Probably which is why I can stay with Xbox Series X even after Microsoft launches their next generation console. If this generation is any indication, I will get a few from Sony that wonāt be playable on PlayStation 5/Pro but weāll see.
I just donāt view PC as competition. I think Xbox Series struggling has far more to do with Microsoft and their decisions which does more harm to their consoles than anything else, an empty first eight months of the generation with only Gears Tactics, a disappointing 2022 and at present, porting their games to PlayStation sure as hell wonāt help their struggles.
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PG2G is more than likely correct. Developers donāt have the financial luxury to limit their games to a single generation.
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https://forum.xboxera.com/t/xboxera-community-hangout-ot11-it-goes-to-11/16791/8092?u=bigm_milk4
Over 2 months later i have finally finished the franchise, i just need to play and compete zero escape the nonary games and i will be ready for limit x despair
I highly doubt AI will help with that. How? Other AI/procedural tools like Houdini didnāt help with limiting the budgets.
This will only happen if publishers want it and limit their budgets, scope and time constraints.
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Yeah I feel most AI will help in is in some pipeline efficiency and even if it saves some time overall itās probably not gonna be significant enough and is likely gonna be countered with more scope ambitions, a lot of the development time is spent on stuff that no magic technology or AI can solve, itās just the nature of games being bigger and more complex.
I think itās actually interestingly unique to games how the better their the technology becomes the more effort, manpower and time needed, not less like in some other industries.
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I definitely get that and, to add to that, I think the TV couch experience is completely different from the PC desk experience. Much like how I feel handheld gaming is a very different experience than the TV couch experience.
So theyāre definitely different but it appears that PC gaming is growing and consoles are flatlining so there is money that could have been spent on console gaming now being spent on PC gaming. Thatās whatās meant by being a competitor, that dollars that could have went to you are going to something else. I totally agree that they are different products.
Sort of like how the Switch is a competitor to the PS5 despite being a very different platform. Even though itās a completely different experience, it potentially takes console sales away, as it takes dollars away. This is what I mean by PC competing with consoles. If people can buy every platform, this would be less of an issue but people often buy one or two machines and stay away from the rest.
Regardless, I do hope there is an incredibly capable PS5 Pro that is at a premium price. When the PS4 Pro came out, it was only $100 more than the PS4 Slim from what I remember. Just as I see the logic and having a Series S and a Series X, I think mid-gen upgrades should embrace the fact that they are not for the mass market (Series S and PS5 cover that). A $399 PS5 and a $499 PS5 Pro seems silly. Turn that into a $399 PS5 and $599 Pro and things start to make more sense.
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Yep. That would give Sony the edge for more than a year, but way longer would suck. It will be at least 1.5 years of lovely DF analysis videos too, but ah well. I will have the Pro by then and not care as much anymore I guess.
I get that people are saying itās just not worth it for MS, but it IS worth it for me, for those that would sell or trade their XSX in a heartbeat for a more advanced one. Especially when you read about potentially promising stuff like AI upscaling and such.
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The funny part about all of this talk is that I really didnāt like the āSeriesā naming of the consoles initially, but when I thought about the possibility of having it similar to iPhones where there would be many versions (released every 4 years instead of yearly) that I became excited.
I love console gaming for the price to power ratio as well as the couch experience, and I like the idea of being able to upgrade these machines every 4 years while maintaining complete backwards compatibility. So this little fantasy that I made in my head warmed me up to the naming convention of āSeriesā.
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Issue is the Steam Deck and its like are having an outsized representation in the media that makes everyone think theyāre doing better than they are.
The Deck has been out nearly 2 years now and even from Valveās own interviews appears to have sold significantly less than 5 million units, so even including rival handhelds weāre looking at under 10 million most likely.
Yes PC gaming is having a renaissance due to streamers and a more tech-literate customer base, but even people who can build one with their eyes closed bawk at the cost of upgrading / building a PC - and while itās better than it used to be the pain of tweaking settings to get stuff working well is annoying.
VR is another market where fans overestimate the install base - the reason PSVR did quite well was it was simple, whereas PC VR Iāve multiple times had to help my partner and brother where their Oculus headset has just decided to stop working with SteamVR and itās been a sod to fix
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Think a lot of the discussion here is forgetting that while Sony has profit issues unlike Apple, part of the reason theyāve hammered Xbox in recent years is the cultural cache (like Apple) theyāve built as a ācoolā brand.
Their marketing is slick and wall-to-wall, you canāt avoid it - in the UK, a grandparent or parent looking to buy a console for a present even know that Nintendo is the family friendly one and PlayStation is for teenagers - and use the words Nintendo or PlayStation when they mean āgames consoleā.
The PSVR2 they barely marketed, but if they do their slick marketing of the Pro alongside GTA6 Iāve no doubt theyāll get decent sales, and normal PS5s will pick up too.
In the UK at least, the marketing and influencers seem to mean PS5 is like the latest clothing brand youāre uncool if you donāt have, Nintendo is the childish one but worth it for a retro giggle with Zelda and PC is for the hardcore gaming nerds (usually middle class and up due to cost).
Xbox is either hated on as in the clothing brand analogy itās like the supermarketās own (according to Sony fans) or people just havenāt ever heard of it.
Even Game Pass which for me is a killer app, either itās not been heard of, or āoh thatās like PS Plus then?ā or worst of all those who follow influencers āitās hurting developers, I wouldnāt use Welfare Passā (that one theyāre not even worth continuing the conversation).
Itās why I often consider Xbox to mostly be a less casual fan base, as most of us have been with them since the 360 days - even if thatās probably not actually true - and why Iāve thought new hardware would do ok for them.
But while Iād love an upgraded Series X, Iām under no illusion they might not bother - and why an early start to next gen might be seen as a way to get ahead of Sony if they market it hardā¦
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This is exactly why Iām so enamoured with my Ally. For all intents and purposes itās a portable Xbox with bonus capabilities.
I just came back from two weeks of vacation, and not only did I play Starfield almost every day, I also played a couple of co-op games with my brother. Him on his Xbox, me on my Ally.
In the past when Iāve visited weāve had to limit ourselves to couch co-op, but the Ally effectively turned all online co-op games into local co-op games. 
Itās an amazing little machine.
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Hypothetically speaking, if Persona 6 did skip Xbox after so many Atlus ads, releases, and Game Pass push, what would be your reaction?
