XboxEra Community Hangout |OT11| It Goes To 11!

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@BRiT

They’re not. Even from a pure revenue perspective, Sony’s largest game lifetime is less than 2 months of suscription revenue (figure over 30 million subscriptions at $10 a month for 2 months for $600 million). They’re essentially loss leaders. They’re created to bring people into the eccosystem and spend additional money.

@Hue

I was referring to the leak which revealed the profits aren’t great (not for AAA games anyway). R&C actually made a loss:

https://twitter.com/HazzadorGamin/status/1737077821783281775?t=NCA3jLfPxtmEHCQgxgcHlg&s=19

However this should probably be discussed over in the leak thread instead.

Yeah, I wrote that comment before I took a gander at the leaks lol those costs are madness

[BRiT]

@KakkaKarrotKake

Yeah, I wrote that comment before I took a gander at the leaks lol those costs are madness

Yeah. I can’t blame anyone for the commonly accepted perceptions. But damn, reality is a stark contrast. Its insane how much they spend to make a single game.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@BRiT

Yeah. I can’t blame anyone for the commonly accepted perceptions. But damn, reality is a stark contrast. Its insane how much they spend to make a single game.

The Disney/Spiderman stuff is even crazier to me

3-400m on the game alone and then all the Disney costs on top of that from game sales and 50% from bundles? It’s absurd

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

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[Knottian (Daniel)]

@Hue

It’s strange because I literally posted the other day, wondering if Insomniacs games are very profitable due to licensing. Following this leak it turns out they aren’t. They bring in lots of revenue but very little profit.

The big difference for PS this time around is if Xbox somehow s**t the bed again they will still have 40+ studios compared to what 5 previously? Therefore going forward it’s going to be near impossible for Xbox to do a Xbone flop again. Unless PlayStation expand rapidly it’s going to get increasingly difficult for them.

Hopefully this increased competition will prevent PS increasing game prices to $100 as they also discussed in this leak!

That’s why all the voices bandying about ‘revenue this and revenue that’ during the last two years were all morons - profit is the primary, non-statistical value that is of the most concern for corporations, and seeing how little Sony has been making in the end (in spite of all that revenue), to me, tells a completely different story than what the media and losers online would have you believe. I have long said Sony is going to be hurting this gen because of their unwillingness to adapt to market conditions… and well…

[Hue]

@Knottian

That’s why all the voices bandying about ‘revenue this and revenue that’ during the last two years were all morons - profit is the primary, non-statistical value that is of the most concern for corporations, and seeing how little Sony has been making in the end (in spite of all that revenue), to me, tells a completely different story than what the media and losers online would have you believe. I have long said Sony is going to be hurting this gen because of their unwillingness to adapt to market conditions… and well…

You could almost say that their poor profit margins are a result of “bad management”.

Nintendo are still the OG when it comes to profit margins, if anything Xbox should be looking to learn from them rather than PS.

[Sparda3g]

@Hue

You could almost say that their poor profit margins is a result of “bad management”.

Nintendo are still the OG when it comes to profit margins, if anything Xbox should be looking to learn from them rather than PS.

In Xbox’s defense, they are trying new ways by releasing day and date with PC, subscription with fresh new game day one, and multiple ways to play Xbox via cloud or Steam. Plus, their backup is live service or if you want to go outside, Azure and AI, especially Azure. They’re covered.

[BadNews]

I wonder if Sony put themselves into a hole because I don’t think their audience will be that receptive to AA games. They trained their audience that it’s big AAA or bust. I know people like to clown on Microsoft for some of their AA efforts. However, stuff like grounded, Pentiment, State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, and other games seem more sustainable than solely creating blockbusters and third party exclusion deals.

[Shadowgasm]

@BadNews

I wonder if Sony put themselves into a hole because I don’t think their audience will be that receptive to AA games. They trained their audience that it’s big AAA or bust. I know people like to clown on Microsoft for some of their AA efforts. However, stuff like grounded, Pentiment, State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, and other games seem more sustainable than solely creating blockbusters and third party exclusion deals.

I believe Sony has had plenty of those types of games over the years, but they probably don’t draw the playerbase/revenue that Sony is looking for, and players outside of their ecosystem probably don’t know they exist either for all the reasons you mentioned.

[Freed]

@BadNews

They trained their audience that it’s big AAA or bust

Big point, they conditioned the market for specific expectations, anything not like said expectations is discarded and “doesn’t count”. So even some of their smaller budget/scale games while good and despite having the brand behind them, didn’t really do that hot. Smaller games can absolutely be huge, Sony just doesn’t know how to orient them due to the way they conditioned their audience and some of their self-perception (see pricing of R&C, Returnal, etc.)

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@Knottian

That’s why all the voices bandying about ‘revenue this and revenue that’ during the last two years were all morons - profit is the primary, non-statistical value that is of the most concern for corporations, and seeing how little Sony has been making in the end (in spite of all that revenue), to me, tells a completely different story than what the media and losers online would have you believe. I have long said Sony is going to be hurting this gen because of their unwillingness to adapt to market conditions… and well…

Also, calling it now - we’ll see another “Xbox non-issue” being blown out of proportions in the next 72 hours. Would love to be wrong but these coordinated campaigns have gotten predictable for years now - both from media and from “gamers”.

[BRiT]

@Knottian

Also, calling it now - we’ll see another “Xbox non-issue” being blown out of proportions in the next 72 hours. Would love to be wrong but these coordinated campaigns have gotten predictable for years now - both from media and from “gamers”.

We already seeing one games media site opt to not cover any of the content of the Sony PlayStation leaks but they absolutely covered the content of the Microsoft Xbox FTC leaks. Media going into full on Sony Protectionist mode.

[BadNews]

@Shadowgasm

I believe Sony has had plenty of those types of games over the years, but they probably don’t draw the playerbase/revenue that Sony is looking for, and players outside of their ecosystem probably don’t know they exist either for all the reasons you mentioned.

They rarely do those type of games. I think last game was Sackboy, and it didn’t perform well.

[BadNews]

@BRiT

We already seeing one games media site opt to not cover any of the content of the Sony PlayStation leaks but they absolutely covered the content of the Microsoft Xbox FTC leaks. Media going into full on Sony Protectionist mode.

I see IGN is covering it, but you can see the difference in how they’re reporting the news though

[Knottian (Daniel)]

@BRiT

We already seeing one games media site opt to not cover any of the content of the Sony PlayStation leaks but they absolutely covered the content of the Microsoft Xbox FTC leaks. Media going into full on Sony Protectionist mode.

Sure are… I would never wish for any of the personal info to be even reported on (obviously) but it’s amazing to me to see the pearl-clutching from so many corners that had absolutely no qualms painting a target on Matt Booty’s back (among plenty of other examples that were generated from the leaks on the MS side of the fence). It’s the blatant favoritism and hypocrisy committed that makes the reaction to this all so tiring.

[Don-Vito (Vito)]

https://x.com/atvi_ab/status/1737155722742304848?s=46

[SheepDip]

@BRiT

We already seeing one games media site opt to not cover any of the content of the Sony PlayStation leaks but they absolutely covered the content of the Microsoft Xbox FTC leaks.

This situation is distressing but I don’t see news outlets not covering Jeff Grubb, Jason Schreier etc. from now on, so we’re going to see a lot of hairsplitting over what kind of leaks/breaches are “morally okay” to talk about and which aren’t.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@BadNews

I wonder if Sony put themselves into a hole because I don’t think their audience will be that receptive to AA games. They trained their audience that it’s big AAA or bust. I know people like to clown on Microsoft for some of their AA efforts. However, stuff like grounded, Pentiment, State of Decay, Sea of Thieves, and other games seem more sustainable than solely creating blockbusters and third party exclusion deals.

Yet another reason GP works, if it’s “indie” or AA it doesn’t matter, you can try it out for “free”

[BadNews]

@BRiT

We already seeing one games media site opt to not cover any of the content of the Sony PlayStation leaks but they absolutely covered the content of the Microsoft Xbox FTC leaks. Media going into full on Sony Protectionist mode.

Hmm unsure if gamespot is the company you’re talking about, but its interesting they covered CDProjekt red hack, GTA 6 hack, and the Microsoft FTC stuff, but won’t cover this

https://x.com/tamoorh/status/1737144523917320635?s=20

lol interesting they actually linked to a tweet showing the footage

Massive GTA 6 Leak Unveils Screenshots And Early Footage

[nursegamer20]

Man, that Sony revelation regarding MS and ABK is really triggering a lot of folks right now. This is what happens when the reality of things shatter the illusions Sony has been feeding them.