Did the PS4 Pro really do much to benefit anything though? I think the Xbox One X was a much bigger deal in the Xbox community because Xbox was so far behind on power in the first place.
This time it should do more for PS though, seeing as even though itās much closer this gen, Xbox is considered the most powerful.
Being able to say Best on PS without hesitation is probably not a bad thing. All the DF videos etc. It will also make the Series S look even worse.
Not in my city, not sure we ever had that store here. But stores like Game Mania for example I fully expect them to have trade ins.
Iād love to be surprised where Phil next E3 comes out and says they ARE coming with a proper mid-gen refresh console, and that would likely be out in 2025, but Iām not getting my hopes up. Iām fully gonna expect the rumored PS5 Pro to be the better system for the rest of the generation.
Iām sure casual Xbox gamers will be fine with that, but as a Xbox gamer that always wants their best it would be very disappointing. And that would mean Iām going to have to cope with a controller whose battery drains way too fast, MEH!
For alot of the last 3 years, the only xbox console that was gettable for alot of countries was the weakest next gen console on the market. PS5 is also starting to run away with this gen, not sure why Sony wants to release the Pro now that Xbox isnāt but meh. Maybe their data says otherwise.
Ah, afaik thereās no trade-in places here anymore. Maybe some of the bigger chains will have somethingā¦ Iād trade in my PS5 for a Pro then. Howeverā¦ that would also mean I would move my third party gaming to PS for the most part.
I would prefer none of them did a midgen-upgrade, but if one do the other should as well.
I would think it is for the brand.
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Yeah youāre probably right. Iām not complaining though, if I can play these next gen games at 4K 60 fps for under $1K, Iāll take it lol.
If the Pro PS5 is going to be as expensive as people expect then I donāt think a response is needed like some people think
X will no longer be āthe most powerful consoleā but have they really used that marketing since the first year it was out? I dont think iv seen this in ages, plus they will no longer be the most powerful but if only a small portion of people are going to end up buying the Pro anyway, Iām not sure what exactly thatās going to change
Series X Cylinder lol or whatever they do for next year will be just to keep production costs down and the keep momentum up half way through the gen
Maybe Iām wrong and look at this differently than others because personally, I never bought my Xbox because of performance or multiplats, I bought it because of exclusives and Game Pass so a multiplat performing better on PS is irrelevant to me
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Oh yes, for sure! Iād rather they stick to what they got now, but as you said, if one does it, the other should as well. Some people would say just stick with Xbox, but itās the knowing that games are that much better on the other. I guess itās fomo?
On the other hand, I sat last gen out with Xbox all the way, the first years I stuck with Xbox One, knowing full well the higher resolution on PS4, even when that Pro console came out. But if this time around GTA 6, Witcher 4 etc are significantly better on PS5 Pro, I canāt ignore it.
People have said before how these things are decided at least a year or more in advance, and since nothing leakedā¦i canāt see Xbox changing their mind. Especially after what Phil Spencer said.
I dunno, i donāt think itāll make much of a change in the perception of PS5 (not like it needs it) and only the most hardcore care about DF videos. I think itāll be a nice machine for the hardcore but wonāt result in a further shift for the brand in any direction.
I know they arenāt related and they could have done both, but I think the biggest thing that Xbox can do for the brand is solve their software problem. Thatāll be what moves the needle on brand perception, not having the most powerful hardware.
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I mean itās not FOMO. People talk about how we should get used to big games this gen running at 30 fps again. Well, if you can run those games in 60 on the PlayStationā¦ Kinda hard to argue with.
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At this point I am pretty confident that itās not going to happen. If I were you Iād buy a PS5 pro (especially since you donāt already have a PS5) and play some of those games there.
I went with PC, which I know is not for everyone.
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https://x.com/xboxwire/status/1715020630184353976?s=46&t=O_AGT9SEnlptKOF_2SxtqQ
https://x.com/klobrille/status/1715024115067678990?s=46&t=O_AGT9SEnlptKOF_2SxtqQ
Not exactly Game Pass drop but it will do for now.
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I think both brands need both things.
As for DF videos, sure only the hardcore actually watches and cares. But it spreads from there. Things like that is where the general perception is created.
Iām also pretty sure that āPlayStation - The Worlds Most Powerful Consoleā plastered all over the world, as they do, will have an impact. Even if that impact in many places is to maintain the status quo by making sure Xbox is kept down.
I dont think much of a change in perception is going to occur as a result of DF videos 4 years into the generation. I think a very small subset of the market is worried about which console is most powerful and the strength of the PlayStation brand is the fact that itās where you need to go to play all (most) of the games.
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Iām not putting as much weight into DF videos as you seem to think. That was one example of how the narrative is spread. The hardcore does influence the general audience though was my point.
Itās not about being worried either. I do think itās weird if Xbox letās PlayStation go unchallenged in the power narrative though. A Pro console doesnāt have to be sold at a loss or anything, itās existance and catering to the hardcore market is enough.
I think there are a couple of reasons Xbox might not want to do a Pro, a major one is they already have two SKUs on the market and having 3 starts to get messy. The other is whether it is cost effective, I know you say itās existence is enough but you know they canāt come out with a console that is $200 more than their competition. If you donāt plan on selling as many units of it as possible its a waste of R&D and a waste of software effort getting games to run on it.
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I just think there is still a lot that can be done with the Series X in terms of tools. Developers are really far from using everything DirectX12 provides so far, so things could get much better if they start truly using it. Even Digital Foundry wanted Microsoft to ask devs why they were not taking more advantage of the Series X.
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The third SKU might be an issue, but itās getting messy for both at this point. Digitals, slims, external disc drives etcā¦ I donāt think a third Xbox would confuse anyone very much.
If you consider the marketing value for the brand in those costs it might look more effective as well. I also donāt think an Xbox Pro would have to be that much more expensive than a PS5 Pro, sounds odd.
Does anyone here play Pokemon TCG Live?
The Forza reddit has been super toxic since release. You would think it was the Halo reddit.
Just non-stop complaining.
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