I don’t think there’s much of a chance of FH6 releasing this year. If the next-gen console rumours for 2026 are correct, I’d expect it as a launch title late next year.
But even without a new console, I can’t see it releasing this year. It’s much too close to the PS5 launch.
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I don’t know how it is now, but Phil Spencer himself said so back then. Even with the improvements they still loss on consoles, just look at the PS5 pro digital at 700 and then they nickel and dime you for the stand and the external drive. Right now, they are mostly selling the 600, 2 TB all digital series X. I imagine the next gen Xbox would be between 800 and above as they are probably done subsidizing it. I think Xbox will see a surge in Game Pass numbers when people start seeing the cadence of triple A drops into Gamepass. I don’t see how anyone can easily buy that much triple A for PlayStation.
It’s all rumour and speculation
If its true what Jez has said about only now has the next Xbox speciation and budget been signed off means it is a couple of years away at best
I get that none of us know for certain. SONY have said for a number of years now they’ve been able to make the base PS5 at cost price.
So, I don’t see how Xbox can be making losses of $200 more than Sony for pretty much the same system (Series X vs base PlayStation 5) . Maybe with the dual motherboard design of Series X $100 more but then that’s a stretch
I also think it was a massive mistake not to go with the Brooklin model that surely would have ushered in more cost savings
Different forms of accounting. One is strictly looking at it from a Bill of Material. The other is including all the R&D, Software Development, Maintenance and Support Activities that go along with it. It is how we have statements direct from Sony that are contradictory (listed below). It’s all a matter of which accounting methods are being used. The prior fiscal quarter is where they said they would focus on losing less on sales.
I mentioned this a few times before, relating to statements and court testimony which mostly refers to last-gen console sales such as the One S: (from XboxEra Community Hangout |OT11| It Goes To 11! - #3674 by BRiT)
Different accounting styles as to whats included in “the cost” of the item. Xbox isnt looking strictly at the bill of materials, unless you think they were losing $100 to $200 per Xbox One S at the end of last generation as Phil said in interviews and court testimony.
I get all that but I come from/work in an engineering background and usually after the line has been well-established costs come down and as we like to say you’re able to ‘pump them out’.
I just feel that saying they’re losing $200 dollars on each Series X is overplaying a little and it should be a issue at all for the Series S
I did a late edit to my message, where the statements about losing $100 per console sold also applied to the One S console last generation. Do we really think they were losing $100 on every sale near the end of that generation? I don’t. From a strictly Bill of Material perspective there is no way it was priced below parts cost.
I’m trying to work out what is the point of Colin Moriarty’s Icarus video on Last Stand
Releasing his fanboy Pent-up frustration and anger for taking so many L’s by ranting and babbling incoherent nonsense. I think this guy says it well.
Yeah, I just watched that.
Funny thing is, the fella is a PC and Playstation user but he never once acts high and mighty towards any user. In fact he tries his best to stick to actual information, data that has been shared and interviews. A breath of fresh air to be honest.
It’s funny because I don’t usually check his stuff out and then one time I did and within the first few minutes he started talking about oil and gas industry, which my family and I have nearly a century’s worth of experience in… And he didn’t know what he was talking about at all. And yet he spoke about it confidently to the point where his listeners think he’s actually on to something. Yeah
It’s like the blind leading the blind. The internet is full of those people but I guess he’s one of those for the gaming industry.
Personally I think he does a pretty bad job in countering Colin’s points. Yes he points out one or two hypocrisy’s & makes a good point about about Xbox already going to PC before gamepass was a thing.
but other than that he doesn’t make a strong argument or it’s at least not a coherent argument against it
He used that leaked slide which was great but didn’t come back to it enough and base his argument around it.
If someone was to counter Colin’s video, I’d like someone to actually watch it then research his arguments and counter him in a well informed opinion piece.
That leaked slide doesn’t get used enough by Xbox content creators/ podcasts
And ps content creators/podcasts want you to forget about it so bury it.
I doubt anyone who ‘s big enough & who has a wide enough following, will be brave enough to make a counter video
So it’ll just get left & people will believe it as no one of note challenged it
I saw the whole video and not gonna lie, probably wouldn’t have if I knew it was Colin talking lol because I just can’t stand the guy, I do agree that the decision to have every game on Game Pass at launch wasn’t a great business move, perhaps it’s easy to that now but back then I don’t believe there was any data of such a risky business move guaranteed to work in gaming, and I do remember an article from a few years ago of some of Phil’s partners at Xbox pushing back on that idea but he ultimately made the decision anyway.
But I’m not sure if the Icarus comparison is an appropriate one, it’s not like Microsoft spent all this money and crashed and is being forced to shut down their gaming division and from a financial perspective they may be about to get bigger in gaming, he does mention that that’s not what Xbox fans wanted which is the point in the video where his fanboyism starts coming out, the “cope” section in the end, but wasn’t Microsoft already talking about Xbox as a platform years before they even acquired ABK? They did envision a future where exclusives wouldn’t exist.
I think maybe Destin can make a good counter video but I do agree that Microsoft needs to commit to a true next gen console, not a streaming device, perhaps turn Xbox into a PC hybrid, because at the end of the day they made this bed themselves and most Game Pass users are still on Xbox consoles and I’m sure they still have 30+ million console users, I like the idea of a next gen Xbox that can run other stores as well.
Edit: I mentioned Destin because he has a bigger following than that VGF guy but VGF also made some good points countering that fanboy themed video by Colin.
They have, repeatedly, committed to next-gen hardware. They have also, repeatedly, stated that Xbox Game Pass is profitable, which means putting games in there day one is profitable.
Also they have stated that they are, IN FACT, gonna prioritize their ecosystem, which includes console, pc and cloud. Its were they get most of their money from, its not playstation or nintendo, which only contribute very little compared to the other three i mentioned.
Exactly !
Phil Spencer explains that the multiplatform strategy depends on whether it’s an open platform (PC and cloud) or a closed platform: “not every screen is equal”. He strongly insists that growth is in the cloud and PC. However, on competing platforms, he explains that they make more money in their own ecosystem and prioritize their own platform. They don’t ignore the 70% of other consoles, but it’s clearly not the same strategy as for PC and cloud, it’s on a case-by-case basis, and with temporary exclusives, it’s clearly not planned for day one on other consoles, as he explained. And this is factually what we see today and have been seeing for several months. Xbox continues to offer exclusive games, no game is offered day one on other consoles (except for games historically multiplatform, of course, and most of the ports are old service games that were released 4, 5, or more years ago on Xbox. There is an exception with Indy which is released just a few months later, but it’s a Disney license already negotiated before the acquisition, so it’s quite unique.
You can be sure that Forza Horizon 6 will soon be announced, at the same time as Forza Horizon 5 is released on PS5, the goal is to introduce the franchise to PS players, and attract them to the Xbox ecosystem because, of course, Forza Horizon 6 will follow the same pattern, being released 4 years later on other consoles.
It’s an excellent strategy because it allows both to support the studios and the games and at the same time to make the ecosystem (gamepass, hardwae) attractive. Many have not understood this strategy well.
Many PS fans reassure themselves by believing that everything will follow on their beloved console which is struggling to release first-party games.
And as for the media in general, they have a very poor understanding of what is actually happening because they are only attracted by clickbait, so even something so simple to understand is too complicated for them.
I’m not sure he said any of this. I don’t recall him saying case by case just that they won’t gate wall their games and be transparent with it. I would think they want to raise Halo and Gears to COD level which could mean those games release day and date. I would think though that trying to take everything over to PlayStation would require a lot of work and time so it might make sense to only release a few at a time though I do caution against thinking it would all be case by case or time exclusives, the goal is to make money so I would say that is what decides how they move.
I’m sorry BRiT but I don’t believe what a big corration says.
Yes, I believe that other than Nintendo and the poor manufactures who tried to sell the 3DO all other console manufacture’s sell hardware at a loss or a close to cost price.
So I while I don’t believe Sony when they said they were selling the PS3 slim at profit or now the PS5 now I also don’t believe that Xbox is now being sold a massive lost (at this point)
The Series X hardware is coming off the same line as the PS5 and last gen backwards with the XBox now having a slightly more powerful GPU like how the PS4 last gen but its pretty much the same line other than Sony having the faster memory back then
So I can’t believe Xbox Series is losing hundreds of dollars more than Sony PlayStation 5 for each console sold at a time when components and manufacturing should be at their lowest points 5 years in to the cycle and also with the switch to 6nm.