Where does Xbox need to improve? | Let's be constructive about it

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Roronoa_Zoro90

we don’t want a Sony-like uniformation on genres/type of games, that is true.

Yeah, and I said it before, anyone who tries to argue Xbox is gonna have a focus on genre/type is gonna have a real hard time and it will invovle so much goalpost moving

Xbox Game Studios |OT8| Leaving The Drought Behind And Heading For Starfield

XGS releases by recent years and predicted 2022 releases: 2020: Microsoft Flight Simulator Grounded Tell Me Why Ori atWotW Minecraft Dungeons Bleeding Edge Gears Tactics 2021: Halo Infinite Forza Horizon 5 Psychonauts 2 Age of Empires 4 2022 (predicted) Forza Motorsport Pentiment Redfall Starfield Look at these games and tell me how anyone can be telling you there’s a dominant genre or camera perspective from Xbox 1st party without being dishonest and misguided.

[TeamAndromeda]

@Fiendflag

@TeamAndromeda They definitely need more shows/events and an Arcade Corner section in the store would be freakin’ awesome (still too good to be true though), we are saying how good is the digital era that we live in but in terms of game preservation/history and publishers having their legacy titles available we are a long way from being decent in this area (hell we don’t have classics like the original Resident Evil games available right now which is ridiculous).

MS really need to sort out their showcase events, SONY does a much better job and do it more regularly too. GT7 and Horzion Zero West 2 is getting a lot of hype and coverage and we get nothing to fight back with from MS

It’s time now to start to show some Forza, GT 7 is all but done, they can’t copy borrow anything from the game now. It’s time to show a replay on the Xbox YouTube channel and start to get people hyped for the game. We’ve seen more of the new upcoming God Of War, than what we have of Hellblade 2, MS needs to sort that out and start to show the game off being played now

MS is just giving SONY so much free coverage and not hitting back as they should. Its all very well buying more studios than countries, but gamers want games and want to see games being played and also start to show a much better job of the XBox Series 12 Teraflop power

Like I said, I thought LIVE Arcade was ace and I really feel it be nice for MS to have an Arcade section on Gamepass and look to do a deal with SEGA/Tatio for simple straight Arcade ports

[pg2g]

The topic of Xbox doing more shows comes up a lot (both here and in media), I think it is basically a guarantee that this happens going forward due to the size of “Microsoft Gaming”. Xbox + Bethesda + Activision/Blizzard/King will be dropping multiple games per quarter once the pipeline is going.

As for why It hasn’t happened yet? Its the same reason we don’t have any games to play for the next 6 months lol.

[TheBrightestSun]

@pg2g

The topic of Xbox doing more shows comes up a lot (both here and in media), I think it is basically a guarantee that this happens going forward due to the size of “Microsoft Gaming”. Xbox + Bethesda + Activision/Blizzard/King will be dropping multiple games per quarter once the pipeline is going.

As for why It hasn’t happened yet? Its the same reason we don’t have any games to play for the next 6 months lol.

I wonder if they keep the current structure with the separate presentations. Like for now and potentially we have Blizzcon, Minecon, Xbox E3 (or whatever they will call it), QuakeCon. I want them seriously push Xbox and Microsoft Gaming so that everybody would know that Blizzard = Xbox, Activizion = Xbox.

The main show akin Xbox E3 potentaily can have stuff from ATVI + XGS + Bethesda (as they had E3 right?)

[PoderickPayne (Travis Norris)]

@ProgStopper

I mean just use a giant laser and carve the Xbox symbol RIGHT in the moon.

It would look like a giant light up Xbox controller gem when the moon is full.

[pg2g]

@TheBrightestSun

I wonder if they keep the current structure with the separate presentations. Like for now and potentially we have Blizzcon, Minecon, Xbox E3 (or whatever they will call it), QuakeCon. I want them seriously push Xbox and Microsoft Gaming so that everybody would know that Blizzard = Xbox, Activizion = Xbox.

The main show akin Xbox E3 potentaily can have stuff from ATVI + XGS + Bethesda (as they had E3 right?)

I think Activision especially makes sense to integrate if some stuff is cross platform. It’ll bring more eyes to the Xbox shows where they will see other games and ideally be drawn into the ecosystem.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@pg2g

As for why It hasn’t happened yet? Its the same reason we don’t have any games to play for the next 6 months lol.

Content and production pipeline is still not ready. Not ready for individual shows. Not ready for all in push marketing. Not ready to comfortably control and space out release dates throughout the year. The “wait” game, it’s the tax for neglecting 1st party for that long. But I believe after this little more wait is the “greatness” part

[pg2g]

@DARK-PARADISE

Content and production pipeline is still not ready. Not ready for individual shows. Not ready for all in push marketing. Not ready to comfortably control and space out release dates throughout the year. The “wait” game, it’s the tax for neglecting 1st party for that long. But I believe after this little more wait is the “greatness” part

The wait is a meme at this point, but hopefully it pays off haha

[TheBrightestSun]

@pg2g

The wait is a meme at this point, but hopefully it pays off haha

I suspect that even 2023 might become “wait for 2024 E3” lol

@pg2g

I think Activision especially makes sense to integrate if some stuff is cross platform. It’ll bring more eyes to the Xbox shows where they will see other games and ideally be drawn into the ecosystem.

Did ATVI have a separate E3 show?

[pg2g]

@TheBrightestSun

I suspect that even 2023 might become “wait for 2024 E3” lol

Hope not, haha. I think we’re all so eager for the pipeline to kick in that we can be optimistic about when it really starts. I’m hoping Q4 2022 on we get at least one big game a quarter.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@pg2g

The wait is a meme at this point, but hopefully it pays off haha

The wait is also not the 2017/18 wait. There’s now much evidence of commitment and care from 2nd half of 2021, that we should at least consider a hint for what’s coming. That what’s coming is not some blind trust or wishful thinking, there’s really something tangible to go by. So maybe the wait is really just for the consistency of all things working together.

It reminds me so much of early PS4, I remember so well that there was a “PS4 has no games” from Xbox fanboys, but everyone knew the great games and consistency were cooking and coming

[TheBrightestSun]

@pg2g

Hope not, haha. I think we’re all so eager for the pipeline to kick in that we can be optimistic about when it really starts. I’m hoping Q4 2022 on we get at least one big game a quarter.

But imagine Microsoft pushing Sony’s level of marketing, with commercials and banners for Game Pass and games everywhere, and tens of games coming, a lot of conferences, Game Pass shows, Godd Howard’s blessings in the temples and so on

[Cayde4Ever (Cayde)]

@TheBrightestSun

But imagine Microsoft pushing Sony’s level of marketing, with commercials and banners for Game Pass and games everywhere, and tens of games coming

I think that will start by the end of this year in 2022. They are going to market the shit out of Starfield.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@TheBrightestSun

But imagine Microsoft pushing Sony’s level of marketing, with commercials and banners for Game Pass and games everywhere, and tens of games coming, a lot of conferences, Game Pass shows and so on

Sony didn’t have all that consistently until their 1st party and content was also consistent and coherently working together. When did they start SoP for individual games, hell even general SoP?

So that’s why I think some of you are getting ahead of yourself complaining about shows and marketing. I’ll say it again, I’ll join in with you in complaining if they reach to the optimal and consistent point with the 1st party content but not the marketing & shows.

[Cortana117]

What frustrates me the most is how Sony is 10x smaller than MS but does marketing so much better. At least here in europe. Football (soccer) is THE biggest individual sport and Champions League THE biggest yearly event and every match you see Sony (PlayStation) branding all over the place. Kids who love the sport see PS version of Fifa plastered everywhere and that leads to a big mindshare and sales. Disney is another company MUCH smaller to MS and they market their products heavily. And the results speak for themselves.

The amount of casuals here who don’t even know what gamepass is saddens me. That’s MS’ problem. They have an amazing service that many don’t even know about. I sincerely hope they’re holding back on marketing till their 1P content is dropping nonstop. Otherwise “3B gamers” goal is just a fantasy. And yes I know 3B isn’t literal. It’s just trying to appeal to the entire market (they can and want to reach maybe 1/10th of that long long longterm). A strong marketing presence is gonna be crucial for that goal. And not just in the US.

[TheBrightestSun]

@DARK-PARADISE

Sony didn’t have all that consistently until their 1st party and content was also consistent and coherently working together. When did they start SoP for individual games, hell even general SoP?

In PS3 era I was on Xbox 360 so I don’t remember the state of PS3 at that time. And I don’t remember when State of Plays started, but PS4 era started with Sony doing a successful launch with the next gen looking games (like Order 1886) and it basically never stopped.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@TheBrightestSun

In PS3 era I was on Xbox 360 so I don’t remember the state of PS3 at that time. And I don’t remember when State of Plays started, but PS4 era started with Sony doing a successful launch with the next gen looking games (like Order 1886) and it basically never stopped.

All things working together consistly didn’t start for Sony untill like 2015, some argue 2016. It fairly lines up to when things are expected to start working together for Xbox

[pg2g]

I definitely think Microsoft needs to do more to market Game Pass. I have to imagine that most of its growth has been due to word of mouth. Crazy folks like us talking about it and pushing it in friends non stop.

I don’t think folks that don’t have one of us around have any idea that Game Pass is a thing.

[TheBrightestSun]

@Cortana117

What frustrates me the most is how Sony is 10x smaller than MS but does marketing so much better. At least here in europe. Football (soccer) is THE biggest individual sport and Champions League THE biggest yearly event and every match you see Sony (PlayStation) branding all over the place. Kids who love the sport see PS version of Fifa plastered everywhere and that leads to a big mindshare and sales. Disney is another company MUCH smaller to MS and they market their products heavily. And the results speak for themselves.

Well, that’s the difference between media and tech giants. (though Apple is the exception there). Apple is literally what Sony and Microsoft could be together. And Apple + Sony is the combo that can obliterate every competition.

[pg2g]

@Cortana117

What frustrates me the most is how Sony is 10x smaller than MS but does marketing so much better. At least here in europe. Football (soccer) is THE biggest individual sport and Champions League THE biggest yearly event and every match you see Sony (PlayStation) branding all over the place. Kids who love the sport see PS version of Fifa plastered everywhere and that leads to a big mindshare and sales. Disney is another company MUCH smaller to MS and they market their products heavily. And the results speak for themselves.

Don’t think you can look at the size of the company, need to look at the size of the particular divisions. Xbox doesn’t have access to all of Microsoft’s resources. Today, Sony’s gaming business is significantly larger than Microsoft’s and is also more important to the companies underlying success than Microsoft’s. Just consider that it took two major publisher acquisitions to get the businesses to a similar size.

That said, Microsoft is obviously all in on gaming now. We see that with their $70 billion investment.