The Big ol' Xbox 3rd Party Releases Discussion Thread (HiFi, SoT, Pentiment, Grounded) (Part 1)

[Haven (Victor)]

@IdiotGuru

Yeah, I honestly don’t understand why there isn’t a mainstream campaign to highlight Game Pass and the Series consoles. The Series S and Game Pass/FTP games is such a good selling point for the mainstream community.

I think you will begin seeing those ADs with COD. Game Pass hasn’t really had much to work withs so there was no real reason to market it that hard, however they did market it a lot with STARFIELD.

[Haven (Victor)]

@Andodalf

The Xbox console base is saturated. They’re on GP. So you’re really just trying to get PC players, who are next to impossible to move off of steam and PS gamers, who do not want to move off of PS. Gamepass isn’t selling consoles. MS’s moves are to make it undeniable on PC and positioned well for Cloud

If you actually look at it, Game Pass has had huge spikes based on some games and those games are what has built Game Pass in my opinion. They had a huge spike from the Forza Horizon 5 and Halo in 2021 and last year with STARFIELD. Game Pass needs huge hitters and that could start with COD again.

[Andodalf]

@Haven

If you actually look at it, Game Pass has had huge spikes based on some games and those games are what has built Game Pass in my opinion. They had a huge spike from the Forza Horizon 5 and Halo in 2021 and last year with STARFIELD. Game Pass needs huge hitters and that could start with COD again.

That was all getting the Xbox users on Gamepass.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@BadNews

Yeah, I am not a video game analyst, but I am still wondering how all of this will work. If you release games on the competitor than why would anybody want to invest on an xbox? I don’t think you can say gamepass is the answer because as we’ve seen the growth of the service has stagnated. I feel once you release the big games on Playstation than the value proposition of an xbox console sinks. The logical consumer would just buy a Playstation console and pay the $70 or wait for a sale on Microsoft games when they’re on Playstation

If the next Xbox is going to be more open and allow other stores i.e. Steam, you’ll essentially get all xbox Games, all playstation games, all PC only games as well as GP

In that scenario, why would you buy a Playstation?

[IdiotGuru (Justin)]

@Haven

I think you will begin seeing those ADs with COD. Game Pass hasn’t really had much to work withs so there was no real reason to market it that hard, however they did market it a lot with STARFIELD.

Yeah, I wonder if we could see a multi-pro get ad campaign this fall. Some ads focused on CoD, some focused on Minecraft/Fortnite, some on Indiana Jones and other “exclusives” and all focused on Game Pass availability of PC, Series X and Series S highlighted as the cheapest option.

[Mort]

@KakkaKarrotKake

If the next Xbox is going to be more open and allow other stores i.e. Steam, you’ll essentially get all xbox Games, all playstation games, all PC only games as well as GP

In that scenario, why would you buy a Playstation?

If it has Steam and Sony doesn’t find a way to block their games, sure that would be awesome. I believe it when I see it though.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

@IdiotGuru

Yeah, I wonder if we could see a multi-pro get ad campaign this fall. Some ads focused on CoD, some focused on Minecraft/Fortnite, some on Indiana Jones and other “exclusives” and all focused on Game Pass availability of PC, Series X and Series S highlighted as the cheapest option.

Need that big Black Ops V ad on Times Square with GAME PASS plastered all over it

[morventhus]

@Jez

im not denying that i do believe that eventually we see the barriers come down. but i dont know for sure yea. i guess this is why a lot of journalists arent really active in communities etc. idk what im doing.

just a matter of when, and how they message it, and what the fine print says, and what the value proposition for xbox hardware is in the post-exclusivity world. im intrigued to find out!

Jez really appreciate you coming in here… taking a beating… just to set the record straight with a few of the folks here. It takes alot of courage. Keep doing what you do man.

[BadNews]

@KakkaKarrotKake

If the next Xbox is going to be more open and allow other stores i.e. Steam, you’ll essentially get all xbox Games, all playstation games, all PC only games as well as GP

In that scenario, why would you buy a Playstation?

Hmm, but I still wonder how this benefits Steam unless Microsoft is going to take any % cut of steam purchases. On Microsoft’s end how do they generate revenue in this scenario if Steam doesn’t give up a % cut in purchases?

[Proven]

@peter42O

I love how so many people here tend to forget that Microsoft is literally worth $3T dollars but yet, they need more sales to keep their games alive. Come on man. They can do anything they want, they just have to WANT to do it. That’s literally it.

Also, I don’t see how 40m players before PlayStation somehow isn’t enough. SMH.

Microsoft like any other company will not endlessly support something if it isn’t making money.

[pg2g]

@BadNews

Hmm, but I still wonder how this benefits Steam unless Microsoft is going to take any % cut of steam purchases. On Microsoft’s end how do they generate revenue in this scenario if Steam doesn’t give up a % cut in purchases?

Seems like a huge benefit to Steam because it exposed them to a bunch of new customers. Hard to say what the deal would be with Steam, but I’m sure they can negotiate something considering Steam already allows third parties to sell keys. This could be the digital equivalent of the same.

Microsoft would likely not sell the console at a loss and wouldn’t have to worry as much about making the money back on each device sold. Microsoft is already at only 12% cut on the PC store.

[PhantomRPG]

So with paramount acquired by Sony. How many exclusives will playstation do?

If you think they won’t , then you are fooling yourself.

Xbox, try to gain a competitive edge will ya?

Cause this could be trouble long term if Sony decides to just make exclusive game using ip from paramount.

[pg2g]

@PhantomRPG

So with paramount acquired by Sony. How many exclusives will playstation do?

If you think they won’t , then you are fooling yourself.

Xbox, try to gain a competitive edge will ya?

Cause this could be trouble long term if Sony decides to just make exclusive game using ip from paramount.

Please chill, I hate to ignore people lol

[Widey85]

@PhantomRPG

So with paramount acquired by Sony. How many exclusives will playstation do?

If you think they won’t , then you are fooling yourself.

Xbox, try to gain a competitive edge will ya?

Cause this could be trouble long term if Sony decides to just make exclusive game using ip from paramount.

What IP though? Star Trek, maybe South Park, Top Gun and Mission Impossible based on who actually owns the gaming rights (even Trek might be tied up elsewhere).

I couldn’t really see that much hot property in what they have to be honest - it’s been years since any of those have been must-have like Spider Man was due to the MCU

[pg2g]

@Widey85

What IP though? Star Trek, maybe South Park, Top Gun and Mission Impossible based on who actually owns the gaming rights (even Trek might be tied up elsewhere).

I couldn’t really see that much hot property in what they have to be honest - it’s been years since any of those have been must-have like Spider Man was due to the MCU

Not to mention who would make the games. It’s a wild thing to be worried about lol. It isn’t like they got WB.

[Doncabesa (Jesse Norris)]

@PhantomRPG

So with paramount acquired by Sony. How many exclusives will playstation do?

If you think they won’t , then you are fooling yourself.

Xbox, try to gain a competitive edge will ya?

Cause this could be trouble long term if Sony decides to just make exclusive game using ip from paramount.

This is far more of a movie/tv move than gaming one. Any gaming related things would be extremely far off.

[strawman]

@Proven

Microsoft like any other company will not endlessly support something if it isn’t making money.

Yes, they’re worth $3T because they’re laser focused on making money an creating even more value for their investors. The minute they change that attitude, their stock plunges.

[pg2g]

Every time someone brings up how much money Microsoft has it tells me they don’t understand that all of these decisions are going to be looked at from a ROai perspective.

[BadNews]

@pg2g

Seems like a huge benefit to Steam because it exposed them to a bunch of new customers. Hard to say what the deal would be with Steam, but I’m sure they can negotiate something considering Steam already allows third parties to sell keys. This could be the digital equivalent of the same.

Microsoft would likely not sell the console at a loss and wouldn’t have to worry as much about making the money back on each device sold. Microsoft is already at only 12% cut on the PC store.

Yeah, I think that’s the tricky part because I am unsure if Valve wants to give up 12%. I guess the next xbox could be exciting if they find a way to make this work with Epic and Valve, and remove the paywall for online play. I think doing that could make people give a next gen multiplat xbox a chance if they’re going that route. I feel the online paywall is getting up there in price like to play online on the PSN it cost me over $100CDN/year, and that feels like a robbery

[FacelessSamurai]

@PhantomRPG

So with paramount acquired by Sony. How many exclusives will playstation do?

If you think they won’t , then you are fooling yourself.

Xbox, try to gain a competitive edge will ya?

Cause this could be trouble long term if Sony decides to just make exclusive game using ip from paramount.

Don’t really see what they’d gain making games based on IPs from Paramount honestly, unless you are trying to sell your games to boomers. Maybe Nickelodeon and even that ain’t huge. Paramount + is also irrelevant outside the US. This is a Sony move anyway, not a PlayStation move.

I find you overreacting quite a lot on nothing burgers!