So what Lessons did we learn in the last couple of weeks?

I’ve learned that PC is the place to be.

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I understand saying it’s necessary, but also think it hand waves the complexity of the message.

That a decent chunk of the gaming community is exceedingly unwell and detached from reality.

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I learned that the hardcore fans just want xbox to copy playstation’s strategy and defeat it (which will never happen in this timeline). I think it’s the only way they’ll be satisfied. My suggestion is getting a ps5 would be a more feasible solution instead of declaring your departure on social media.

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I guess what I have mostly learnt recently can be taught in two simple yet very important lessons.

  1. There is a difference (no matter how small), between peeing in the local pool and peeing into the local pool when drunk.

  2. Don’t ever, under any circumstances lie on a résumé. More specifically don’t say you can drive a banana bus when you have no idea. Let’s just say It was a real doozie.

That continuing to buy games on Xbox is not a smart idea.

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Play anywhere and Xbox’s superior backwards compatibility exist. This statement makes zero sense.

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Vast majority of Xbox games do not support play anywhere, most are (former) Game Pass titles.

For me the lesson is that the Xbox leadership has the grand vision of ‘xbox everywhere’ without having the means of pulling it off in the near to mid term, so this premature multiplatform initiative will just irreparable harm their console platform. I don’t think they’ve thought this through, but since they don’t care, I don’t care either.

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I learned that…

  1. Gamers are never going to learn.
  2. Gamers apparently have no bigger worries in life than someone else getting to play “their” games.

Which makes me incredibly envious, because this stuff wouldn’t even make the top 100 on my shit list.

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Compared to zero such games supporting a similar feature on other platforms. lol

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Yep, it doesn’t make sense. Especially when the other two companies have worse history in those areas.

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As mentioned in the other thread, yes there have been a lot of overreactions, but for most people it’s just a bit of disappointment.

Every year on Xbox it’s always “next year will be the one” - and now when it finally looks like we might start to get a regular cadence of games from May, they’ve put more games on the other consoles that aren’t exactly short of them at the moment.

Too many games have arrived with poor QA or lacking content (Redfall, Forza Motorsport and Halo Infinite for example) and we’re in another 6 month lull between first party games.

The blue team have all the multi-platform games we get except PalWorld (which is purely because Sony don’t allow early access) as well as Helldivers 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and others - and also get some of the few polished games Xbox has put out recently in HiFi Rush, Grounded and Pentiment (I won’t say Sea of Thieves as the first time I played I fell through my ship lol).

Longer term yes, the market may move to less exclusives, and Xbox will sort the release cadence and likely overtake PlayStation in that regard - and I remain positive about Xbox’s future.

Even hoping to actually see some Xbox / Game Pass ads on TV again so people in the UK stop saying PlayStation when they mean “games console” lol, it’s actually approaching the vacuum / Hoover level here! :upside_down_face:

Yea people blaming MS for this as a “messaging” issue really confuses me.

This started as rumors and leaks, then got completely out of hand when insiders started spreading crap about other big games coming and weird hardware plans and gamepass changes etc.

A lot of this shit was not true so how can it be a messaging issue from MS? I’m not going to blame MS for stupid rumors and people flipping their shit over said rumors.

Then they actually have a dedicated podcast to address these rumors and they were very clear.

  • Hardware is not going away
  • These 4 games are a test to see how it goes and were picked because they had met their potential on Xbox, they are trying to find the right balance without hurting hardware
  • Starfield and Indiana Jones are not part of this test
  • Gamepass stays the same with day one releases

Now people are tripping over themselves trying to say this is confusing and wanting them to make FOREVER statements when no one can predict the future, They literally said all this and still people want to fake acting confused.

This issue is on the media and the fans trying to act confused, you are not listening to what they say and have been saying and want.

They’ve fully communicated things even though rumors and leaks got out of hand.

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The problem is that Microsoft proposal with Xbox is a contradiction in itself, no matter how you put it, because the message is confusing.

They are comfortable with putting their games on other consoles while still trying to sell their own one. You are giving players less reasons to buy an Xbox consoles, let alone those already established in other ecosystems. They know they can wait for Xbox games to come to their platform of choice, because eventually they will probably come.

No matter the market is changing and has to, something has to give, and Xbox consoles will be.

For me it is clear, Microsoft wants to kill Xbox consoles and the strategy of putting their games on other consoles is extremely convenient for this, and for the current market climate.

They re setting the stage for when they say: “We tried, but we didnt sell enough consoles to justify its production. Now Xbox has grown out of our own closed hardware, Xbox is bigger than Xbox consoles”. So be it, maybe this message will be clearer.

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The curious case of killing of Xbox consoles by already developing the next-gen of Xbox consoles.

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Just highlighting some keywords here that are doing the heavy lifting and that contradict the message we got from Xbox. They know they are getting four games, it’s safe to assume more will come but acting like people can leave knowing everything is coming is many steps too far. They are guaranteed nothing.

Its clear to me that they don’t want to Kill Xbox. We were told that they were releasing four games and would gauge how things go, basically performing a balancing act between what they believe to be inevitable (an increase in multiplatform) and platform ownership. If the market doesn’t trend the way they are predicting then they pull back on the plans.

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They cant stop making consoles overnight because people will be nuts and they still make money out of them.

The number of Xbox consoles sold decreased when they decided to release games on PC day one. Do you know what is going to happen from now on when people start seeing Xbox games come to Switch and Playstation?

I am not talking about a moment in time, this is a progressive shift towards being a 3rd party per se. For me the writing is on the wall, with big and clear letters.

I feel like people are dismissing a lot of genuine concerns here and inflating it as “Fanboyism”.

Xbox’s messaging has been bad since the Xbox One generation. Its not something that just started over the last few months.

I feel its hard to have a genuine conversation here if people are just going to trivialize others issues on the subject (or you know, straight up ignore them).

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Its okay. Some people trust what they say, I dont, after contradicting themselves too many times in the past.

While presenting the new approach, they tried to say what the core user base wanted to hear because they cant put all of their eggs in one basket all of the sudden. I dont buy it.

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I think they say what they say because they know that such a transition has to be gradual and it has to be something that the market is ready for. If they go full on and make that transition on their own (like it seems like many are assuming) then they have a problem.

In my mind, they ultimately want to release everything everywhere (for business reasons), but they know that they can’t now without risking the Xbox business. They think it’ll trend that way in the future, but can’t fully commit to that plan alone.

They make plenty of money off being a platform holder, selling games, micro transactions, and Game Pass are pretty tightly coupled to owning your own platform. They absolutely do not intend on throwing that away.

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