PlayStation: Xbox's Call of Duty offer was "inadequate on many levels" (Jim Ryan says Xbox offered 3 years beyond current deal)

No, the reason for Street Fighter 5 will never come to Xbox is money, Sony paid for the whole development and no, there’s no official info stating that Microsoft refused the offer or even if they were approach by Capcom, also I’ve highly doubt any “Insider” has that type of info.

https://dotik.club/capcom-confirms-street-fighter-5-will-never-release-on-xbox/

“Speaking with Gamespot, a Capcom representative confirmed that the upcoming Street Fighter 5 was not a timed exclusive and that it was locked in for PC and PlayStation 4. Without going into specifics, the representative mentioned that the deal was put in place not just for marketing purposes, but a development one as well, indicating that Sony may in fact be assisting Capcom in developing the title.”

“We’re not talking about how we’re handling post-launch content, but I can say the relationship with Sony does open doors for things we haven’t been able to do in the past,” the representative said. “The relationship serves a gameplay and development purpose, and not just a marketing value.”

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Nowhere did I refute that Sony paid for it though, what I said, is that Xbox also had an opportunity to fund it, but chose to fund KI instead. Here’s Phil Spencer’s tweet from around that time:

https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/541334394623905793

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It also bears repeating that Capcom didn’t NEED funding from Sony or MS and they game would have released on both consoles if neither decided to pay for exclusivity/dev costs.

Exactly. The game would’ve released on both, though likely at a later date.

No, there’s no official statement and nobody knows if Xbox was approached by Capcom with that offer and that tweet from Phil doesn’t mean that, it’s mean that deals happen all the time and they have a franchise that they are going to invest on. That’s all.

Again, nobody knows the details and the reasons for that deal to happen. Until Capcom, Sony or Microsoft say something (which it never going to happen) all we can do is speculate.

Yeah, I can read between the lines. It lines up with the info that came out last year and was an understandable decision to take at the time, though in hindsight, it’s a shame it came a few years before Microsoft decided to go “all in” on gaming.

Ok, if you are so sure that Xbox received an offer by Capcom to paid for the development of Street Fighter 5 and Microsoft refuse it, then present the receipts.

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If I come across it, I will.

Until then…

Anyway, in the end people are going to believe whatever they want to believe regarding the Street Fighter 5 deal and this thread is not the place to have this conversation.

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It is not a secret that third parties naturally flock to Playstation and Xbox is just not interested in them. Of course Sony does not pay for it either /s

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After Jim Ryan pulled this bullshit I really wish MS would just take their hands off this completely. Surely there’s gotta come a point where MS is just done with Sony, you’d think? Jim fucking Ryan needs sit down like a good little boy and thank MS on his knees for this offer. Inadequate, lmao man. Feature and content parity, exactly the opposite of what you fuckers been doing. I wish MS was not this nice, man.

Oh man do I wish one interviewer from the media had the balls to just ask him “what about FF7R and the future titles , what about paying companies to keep their games off of Game Pass.” that’s just business, right? And this offer you got, is exactly that. So wtf you crying about.

If Jim Ryan keeps acting like a little bitch I hope MS’s limit will be reached and they just pull it all away, eventually, once they can.

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Not many people will ask about FF7R simply because it is Final Fantasy and there is just a general acceptance that “FF is Playstation IP so it is natural for it to be exclusive”.

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Absolutely. In the absence of proof, only speculation is truly possible, and it’s irresponsible to base actual arguments on speculation.

You can say it’s possible or even probable that Capcom needed funding and approached MS and Sony. But you can also say it’s possible that Capcom needed funding, approached MS, and MS turned them down because they wouldn’t put Master Chief in so Capcom had to go to Sony instead. The former is more likely than the latter but at the end of the day they’re both hypotheticals.

I really don’t think so. I believe that Spencer meant it when he said that Sony was an important part of the industry. MS’s whole modus operandi is looking to the future and having their fingers in a lot of pies. It’s much more beneficial to them to have an even share of the market than to have total domination which invites governmental scrutiny. Basically, as long as they have Sony to point to, they can argue that they aren’t too big for the sector.

I might be off on this since it’s been a while, but I think that that line of thinking is the reason they bought a ton of Apple stock back in the day and rescued them from insolvency (I am not a business or economy expert).

Another thing I think Spencer said is that they view Google and Amazon as competition in the space, rather than Sony and Nintendo. At the time, this was pretty widely derided as dissembling by the “third-place loser”. I certainly took it that way but have come around to this perspective now that they’re more of an actual player in the field and their means of expanding their reach is clear. I’m sure I don’t need to say this to anyone here, but they aren’t looking at just the console market now, they’re looking at a much bigger base and working on the potential to have more entry points in everyone’s living room.

In that sense, they’re already behind Google and Amazon, who have surveillance smart assistants in addition to Chromecasts, Fire Sticks, Android TVs, Prime Video apps on said TVs and so on. To say nothing of them having their own competing cloud infrastructures. Better the devil you know, and I believe a strong Sony presence is in part a deterrent to those mega corporations. I could be wrong on this but I think a theoretical market with 3 strong platforms would be harder to break into than one with 2 strong platforms (assuming a dominant MS and inconsequential Sony). It would also be more beneficial to us as consumers in the long term.

It sucks for those of us who, in the short term, miss out on some things here and there. I’m pretty steamed that Deathloop might not hit Game Pass next week after already having to wait a damn year and yeah, I’d like to play FFVIIR on my platform of choice. But as much as it is a thorn in our sides, it’s also ammunition for MS. Oh no, Mr. Regulator, you don’t need to look at us at all, we play nice even though we could crush them. I think that’s why they’re so focused on “not being dicks” (to borrow a phrase) and honoring existing contracts, they want to be the teacher’s pet. A ruthless move looks much crueler coming from someone stronger than their opponent.

It also means that things like “they could just change the name to ‘Duty Calls’ and not be bound by whatever agreement exists” don’t make a ton of sense. I don’t have the legal knowledge to know if that’s even possible but I do know that nobody likes a smart-ass. Pulling a move like that would make regulators look more closely at the next deal, and MS are extremely interested in making business moves unhampered. It’s also part of the reason I think exclusivity isn’t necessarily a given in their future acquisitions.

At the end of the day, if you want to see it from a Sony v MS perspective, keep in mind that MS have the disadvantage that they want to keep Sony alive and healthy while Sony feels no such pressure. And yeah, that means MS taking some hits they don’t have to for the future payoff. That future I described is much more important to them than making a frankly small base of users happy, it would just be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Of course Ryan is going to ask for the moon, it’s his job! He doesn’t wanna be the executive who let one of Sony’s cash cows slip away, at least not without a fight. I don’t like the way he made this point, but that’s hardly relevant.
Of course MS are willing to let Sony take more than they really should be allowed to, it makes them look better to the regulators! Reaching out with an olive branch and a compromise automatically makes you look more reasonable and they can afford to forego whatever benefits they’d be giving up.
Of course Xbox-primary gamers think this is a big crock of shit and Ryan is a hypocrite. We have and are missing out on so much because of his direct actions!
And of course PS-primary gamers are unsettled by this regardless of their affinity for CoD. It represents a change in the very comfortable status quo of “I can have everything I want with just one box” and they haven’t really had to deal with the concept of “Damn, this thing I want is on the other box”

They had better get used to that though, and in the end this is beneficial to them too. A stronger MS means more of an inconvenience to them but it also makes for a Sony that tries harder. It would be terrific if MS and Sony were deadlocked and had to continually improve their offerings to keep that equilibrium! I’m genuinely hoping that MS get there because hell, maybe Sony will take more pages out of their book, like say the ability to play their first-party games without a big hardware investment. Maybe they’ll do day 1 PC releases too, and day 1 PS+ releases too. I’d definitely subscribe for that. And MS would have to sweeten their pot to keep me interested :grin:

As a last point, I will say that I have no patience for the people:

  • who nebulously claim that acquisitions are bad for the industry without anything to back it up.
  • who think that timed exclusivity is essentially harmless.
  • in the press who have double standards.
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MS wants Sony around because Sony is a customer of Microsoft’s and I think they are hoping for Sony to stick around to fend off others from getting into the industry.

In Microsoft’s ideal world they are the market leader but Sony and Nintendo are strong competitors and this discourages Amazon or Google from jumping in.

If Sony or Nintendo collapse then it might paint MS in a bad light

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Of course they are. Microsoft could have offered a rolling deal, but they only offered 3 years. That is at worst 1 more CoD game and at best 2.

Doesnt matter though does it, because its either only one more game before CoD comes home to roost on Xbox only or its 2 more games releasing day 1 into gamepass in back to back years which would be devestating.

No-ones talking about the rest of ABK even being on the table, they will be exclusive ASAP.

As Phil says…Google and Amazon are their biggest competitors. Because they are the only ones who can match their Investments and scale a gamepass competitor.

Sony absolutely can’t and never will. They’ll just be left behind.

Jimbo is trying to imitate the father of playstation Ken kutaragi. Arrogant asshat just without the credibility to back it up.

People paint them in a bad light but bumrush anti consumer shit from sony and nintendo. Wouldnt worry about that.

Damn, that is very well written and said. It does make a lot of sense and in the end we will be reaping the benefits too with everything coming to Game Pass. Also as for maybe not as much exclusivity in the future, that’s certainly possible. Although I do think most of the new ABK stuff will be exclusive. And unless they come back to this decision a behemoth of a franchise like TES will likely have it’s next iteration only on Xbox and PC.

I watched a new video by Griffin Gaming about this today and he’s completely of the opinion that every single game should be playable everywhere. Play on your system of choice. Personally I would really like this too, it would save me from buying that ugly duckling, the oversized router, haha. He also thinks that if Xbox were eventually to decide to make CoD exclusive it’s gonna be the death of the IP because PS might need CoD but absolutely vice versa too. What are your thoughts on those two?

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