Phil Spencer on Bethesda Exclusivity

Of course they are buying the company, that’s what their agreement is for. Lots of denial it seems. Oh well, I would like to see their face when the games are gonna be exclusives.

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Yeah at one point I just clicked the video away, I was like what are you even on about dude, lol. What Phil said makes perfect sense. It’s interesting how we all seemed to understand this but it’s clearly very hard to grasp for others.

Because it represents something they are afraid of. For so long, there was only talks about Sony buying timed exclusive left and right, while MS wasn’t doing something like that, according to insiders. People were happy with that, it seemed there would be an absolute domination on Sony’s part and people had no problem with that. Then, out of nowhere, comes MS literally buying one of the publishers with some of the most iconic IP’s. Wolfenstein, DOOM, Starfield, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Dishonored, Prey… you name them.

Suddenly, the fact that they wouldn’t have access to these IP’s on PS was something they could not and can’t imagine. Instead of just maybe stepping outside the PS ecosystem and trying some new things like xCloud or at least Series S, they want MS to give all the games, while not so long ago they apparently had no games. MS is literally doing what they said MS should do.

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Yeah, I was following this channel when the Starfield leaks started, but now I completely ignore it. It’s one of those YouTube channels that stretches out small tidbits of information into 10+ mins videos multiple times a week.

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Exactly, just not worth it. And on top of that these ridiculous takes…nah I’m good.

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I did a double take when he said “now it sounds more like an acquisition.” It was always an acquisition. Them using the word “partnership” doesn’t invalidate that.

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The idea that Xbox would sign a 7.5 BILLION dollar “partnership” just to get marketing rights and Game Pass games is beyond silly. You don’t spend that kinda money without ROI on all sales, increase in subs, console sales and DLC.

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Yeah, dude completely lost me there. Honedtly no idea how he could have believed it wasn’t an acquisition, lol. For BGS news I’ll just keep it at Matty from here on out. And I also have the Starfield Reddit.

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Hope the meal is salty enough lol

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I never see the naysayers and skeptics of this deal ask, “what does Microsoft have to gain by not dismissing exclusivity speculation if the intention is for theses titles to remain third-party?” Because the answer is either you believe Phil is disingenuously playing with narratives to boost pre-orders which goes against his entire ethos, or, they’re afraid of angry Xbox fans who realistically would be content with Game Pass access to these games whether they were exclusive or otherwise. It doesn’t quite add up.

Having read a lot of the reactions to this against my better judgment, I think I can kind of see where the disconnect is: the people who are extremely dedicated to sticking to PS don’t understand how versatile xCloud can be. The biggest dismissals I see are “who wants to play a 100-hour game like Skyrim on a small screen?” and “I don’t want to have to buy an expensive tablet and a controller”

I think MS marketing needs to really hammer that:

  1. You can use your Dualshock 4 (and Dualsense I think?)
  2. You don’t need an expensive tablet because the actual processing is offloaded onto their blades
  3. You can connect a mobile device to a TV
  4. It’s coming to PC and TVs soon
  5. They’re looking at other options like a stick (and maybe in the future even a standalone app on a Roku or Apple TV or whatever, hell maybe even other consoles)

People are freaking out because they think something is being taken away. It’s just a little outrageous because Xbox-only gamers are used to getting the shaft so they (I’m not including myself in this because I’m a recent convert) see it as “we lose out on stuff all the time AND you have options to play these games without buying a $500 console what on EARTH are you whining about?” In an extremely minor and unimportant way, it’s just a matter of privilege disconnect.

Then there are those who are just arguing in bad faith and demand you pay their Comcast bill and that they’re going to have to throw their existing games in the trash and that this is a death knell for the industry and they’re just going to stop playing games altogether despite seemingly spending all their free time bitching about games on a message board. Best to ignore those people and not try to helpfully suggest options because they’re just looking to piss and moan :smile:

Maybe try MrMattyPlays, dude is super passionate about Bethesda and Fallout in particular.

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Yeah, I am subbed to him. For years now, ever since Skyrim I believe. His enthusiasm is great, I am like that too for BGS.

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For those interested, MrMattyPlays has his video up about Todd’s interview.

In some things I can get where he’s coming from. He mentions that Todd says Bethesda and MS haven’t even fully spoken yet regarding exclusivity, and also that Todd mentions the case by case thing. Another part where I get him is where Todd says

“We felt very strongly about their view of access, games for everybody that we can bring to anybody regardless of where they are, what devices they’re playing on”

Is that truly all “only Xbox ecosystem”? I get where he’s coming from here.

He mentions that he’s heard from someone at Game Informer that Bethesda was shopping Starfield around and Sony was interested. I think he got that all wrong though, one insider said the exact opposite…Sony was trying for timed exclusivity on Starfield. But based on the above things he still believes Starfield will be timed, and TES VI a multiplatform game.

I don’t like how he keeps saying Phil is spinning words when he really isn’t though. And earlier on in the video he argues that once Xbox even has TV with XCloud they reach so many more players than they would with Playstation, so he kinda lost me here. His videos are cool for info on BGS titles and I appreciate the enthusiasm but those are some odd takes.

As for the video…

This Matt guy is a delusional in denial. It got to the point that I can’t even look to their faces. Urgh.

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Some of ya’ll get wayyyyy too mad at Youtubers or press people :joy:

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People being angry at their intellectually dishonesty is warranted IMO but what I don’t understand is why people are drawn to seek out any of their opinions anyway. Maybe it’s generational, but as a old foggy I don’t see the appeal of these channels at all.

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Well, you’re on here presumably because you like discussion about games. Those channels are appealing for the same reason. But people should maybe be more selective about which ones they watch.

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Well, I watch Matty because he always had cool videos on BGS, very passionate about BGS titles. And we all have our own views on things like the Bethesda deal. I just don’t understand how he sees things like Todd saying “I would agree that it’s hard to imagine TES being exclusive now” with a smile, as “yep, of course it’s multiplatform.”

And again I can’t help but believe that we wouldn’t have seen this many people and sites on daily basis asking if these games are gonna be exclusive…if Sony snagged Bethesda.

I haven’t seen any of this person’s videos, but my guess for this kind of thing is that it’s easier to read things a certain way when that reading means you “get” more stuff. It’s what makes doublespeak and manipulation such an effective strategy (and not just in video game PR lol)

Honestly, we don’t know what’s going to happen with the exclusivity because we’re not privy to the thoughts of the executives who make these decisions and we don’t have the education and training they do to guess accurately, plus they’re incentivized to give vague answers. That’s why the discussions seem to be going in a circle, nobody has a particularly firm basis to argue for either side.

I do think that there’ll be Xbox ecosystem exclusivity but I’m just some guy on the internet with no business experience so my ill-informed opinion doesn’t have any more weight that another ill-informed person on the internet who thinks the opposite. The only real differentiator is how aware we are of our personal biases. It doesn’t matter to me if the games are exclusive (and in fact I’d rather they weren’t) because that doesn’t affect me at all. It would matter to me if the discussion were about something relevant to me, like if the games weren’t slated to come to game pass day 1. Someone who’s all wrapped up in the idea that they deserve to have access to these games on PlayStation might think that the intensity of their feeling makes their argument stronger, but it really doesn’t.

And yeah Stafy, that last part bugs me a fair bit too, along with the notion that’s going around that you HAVE to buy into a $500 console when that would be the case in your hypothetical no questions asked AND it’s not even true. It’s just people who are used to getting everything by default feeling the sting of exclusivity for once.

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