Jim Ryan Retires, Connie Booth leaving after 34 years, Layoffs at Sony, Multiplayer games Cancelled

[Resist]

@No-1HoloLens-Fan

Either own the IP or develope the game via first party studio. Else, it is just an exclusivity deal.

Now tell me which first party game is Sony releasing this year?

Helldivers and Ronin, I think are owned and published by Sony?

[No-1HoloLens-Fan]

@Resist

Helldivers and Ronin, I think are owned and published by Sony?

Some showed me that Ronin is not owned by Sony. Anyways, helldivers it is.

[Saten117]

@peter42O

…s that were already previously released. I don’t even like adding remakes either but since there’s rumors of TES IV: Oblivion possibly being a remake, I included Demon’s Souls but if it doesn’t happen, I can always remove Souls because it doesn’t change the rating or the monthly/total gap since it was a launch title. I don’t include director’s cuts, complete editions and all of this other crap because that’s just padding out the list and in fairness, I don’t include the games that were upgraded for Series X/S which is basically a remaster without being a remaster. Sports game wise, it’s still a new release every year even though the game is basically the same but with 8-9 months of development time, what are they really going to do? Same for Madden and NBA 2K but they’re still new releases.

I get your reasoning and I agree in general, but AoE 2 DE on console is not the standard port or remaster, is the console version of a legendary game (from a genre also legendary for skipping consoles), which is constantly updated with new expansions, it’s a very special case. Anyway, it’s your list.

[peter42O]

@Saten117

I get your reasoning and I agree in general, but AoE 2 DE on console is not the standard port or remaster, is the console version of a legendary game (from a gene also legendary for skipping consoles), which is constantly updated with new expansions, it’s a very special case. Anyway, it’s your list.

I know that a lot of content was added to AOE 2 DE but I just like to have new games being released for the first time. I don’t even want Demon’s Souls but I figure that I’ll wait to see if Oblivion is a remake or remaster. If it’s a remaster, I can remove Souls to even it out since I haven’t seen any other rumors for any other remakes from Microsoft or Sony for that matter.

[Saten117]

@peter42O

I know that a lot of content was added to AOE 2 DE but I just like to have new games being released for the first time. I don’t even want Demon’s Souls but I figure that I’ll wait to see if Oblivion is a remake or remaster. If it’s a remaster, I can remove Souls to even it out since I haven’t seen any other rumors for any other remakes from Microsoft or Sony for that matter.

It’s more than a lot of content, they repackaged the almost full aoe1 within aoe2 engine last year, on top of other 4 expansions original to DE, adding to the original game and its own 4 expansion. It’s the biggest rts ever made, no contest. Not even Starcraft is so alive 25+ years later and counting.

[raihous (Musicology)]

The Helldivers trademark does belong to SIE. There’s nothing that shows that Rise of the Ronin doesn’t belong to Team Ninja… A best case scenario for Sony fans at this point is that it’s a shared IP.

@peter42O

…I have Psychonauts 2 on my list as a Microsoft first party game. It’s just not exclusive but neither is Deathloop or Ghostwire Tokyo but they’re still both Microsoft first party games. Below are my lists for Microsoft and Sony. 20240116_2223221920×1080 139 KB 20240116_2227321920×1080 144 KB

Wow. That’s a lot of cherry-picking… Without even counting GaaS, you’re missing a third of Microsoft in-house studio games since 2020. And I’m curious, why don’t you count all the ID@Xbox games that are not on PS5? They’re “first party games” by your words. But they don’t count on Xbox?

It’s like the definition of an in-house studio game is quite strict for Microsoft, but anything will go for Sony when they don’t deliver anything at all from in-house studios. Don’t Sony fans want Sony games? Don’t they like Sony in-house studios and Sony IPs? Sometimes I wonder. This is truly all about fitting more games on a list, based an arbitrary and convenient definition of what a “Sony game” is.

Imagine having this argument for Nintendo and Microsoft. Their fans would call out the BS right away. They don’t want 3rd party games snatched away from the other platforms in place of their Mario, Starfield, Zelda, Obsidian games, etc… They want Microsoft and Nintendo IPs, and they want Microsoft and Nintendo games from their in-house studios. Whatever we choose to call “first party” is a contractual technicality that’s irrelevant to us gamers.

[peter42O]

@raihous

Wow. That’s a lot of cherry-picking… Without even counting GaaS, you’re missing a third of Microsoft in-house studio games since 2020. And I’m curious, why don’t you count all the ID@Xbox games that are not on PS5? They’re “first party games” by your words. But they don’t count on Xbox?

I’m not missing any Microsoft game as it’s about this generation which started on November 10th, 2020 with the release of the Xbox Series X/S while for Sony, it started two days later on November 12th, 2020 with the release of PlayStation 5.

ID@Xbox are not games that are published by Microsoft. It’s a program by Microsoft that helps independent developers create their games but they’re not funded or published by Microsoft. Here is the link below that specifically states that they “bring great games from independent publishers to Xbox” so what exactly are you even talking about in this regard?

ID@Xbox | Xbox

@raihous

It’s like the definition of an in-house studio game is quite strict for Microsoft, but anything will go for Sony when they don’t deliver anything at all from in-house studios. Don’t Sony fans want Sony games? Don’t they like Sony in-house studios and Sony IPs? Sometimes I wonder. This is truly all about fitting more games on a list, based an arbitrary and convenient definition of what a “Sony game” is.

No, it’s based on games that are published by Sony or Microsoft which are all facts. Since I just checked all 24 games on that first page for ID@Xbox, not a single game is published by Microsoft because they have nothing to do with developing or publishing these games. ID@Xbox is NOT in house studios for Microsoft so again, I don’t know what you’re even talking about.

@raihous

Imagine having this argument for Nintendo and Microsoft. Their fans would call out the BS right away. They don’t want 3rd party games snatched away from the other platforms in place of their Mario, Starfield, Zelda, Obsidian games, etc… They want Microsoft and Nintendo IPs, and they want Microsoft and Nintendo games from their in-house studios. Whatever we choose to call “first party” is a contractual technicality that’s irrelevant to us gamers.

What does a third party game have to do with Nintendo or Microsoft first party games?

First party is what the hardware manufacturer is, period. Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony are the hardware manufacturers and thus,their output of games are first party.

[bof]

@raihous

They want Microsoft and Nintendo IPs, and they want Microsoft and Nintendo games from their in-house studios.

I just want good games and I don’t really care if they are from in-house studios. My favourite titles on the Xbox One include Forza Horizon 2/3, Ori 1/2, Killer Instinct, Ryse Son of Rome, Titanfall and Quantum Break, so I don’t subscribe at all to this unbearable console war talk.

And as far as first parties and ID@Xbox are concerned, you’re completely off the mark.

[raihous (Musicology)]

Ori, Wasteland Remastered, Wasteland 3 were all released in 2020 optimized on the Series X — no different than Gears Tactics… what about Quake, Quake 2, Goldeneye, Age of Empires 2? What about the major updates for ESO, SoT? Necrom is bigger a longer than Spider-Man 2. Don’t you like Microsoft games? What’s the logic behind saying that their games don’t count, or don’t exist ?

As far as ID@Xbox is concerned, Microsoft provides the tools, funding and support for devs to get their games hosted on a Microsoft platform. Microsoft picks ID@Xbox games, showcases them, and cover marketing and advertising for them — High on Life, Vampire Survivors… Is it silly to call these games first party games? For sure. As silly as calling Stellar Blade a First Party game.

[raihous (Musicology)]

@bof

I just want good games and I don’t really care if they are from in-house studios..

And why would you want these games on one console only when they’re from independant developers? Should Xbox publish Stellar Blade instead and remove it from the PS5, that wouldn’t increase your enjoyment of the game.

[bof]

@raihous

…Ori, Wasteland Remastered, Wasteland 3 were all released in 2020 optimized on the Series X — no different than Gears Tactics… what about Quake, Quake 2, Goldeneye, Age of Empires 2? What about the major updates for ESO, SoT? Necrom is bigger a longer than Spider-Man 2. Don’t you like Microsoft games? What’s the logic behind saying that their games don’t count, or don’t exist ? As far as ID@Xbox is concerned, Microsoft provides the tools, funding and support for devs to get their games hosted on a Microsoft platform. Microsoft picks ID@Xbox games, showcases them, and cover marketing and advertising for them — High on Life, Vampire Survivors… Is it silly to call these games first party games? For sure. As silly as calling Stellar Blade a First Party game.

Wow, your logic is really hard to follow.

A game published by a manufacturer can be considered as first-party, and not in the opposite case, it’s hard to be clearer. And a technical or content update is not a new game, that’s just the way it is.

[strawman]

Going forward, Microsoft will be publishing waaay more games than Sony. This shouldn’t really be a conversation.

[raihous (Musicology)]

@bof

Wow, your logic is really hard to follow.

A game published by a manufacturer can be considered as first-party, and not in the opposite case, it’s hard to be clearer. And a technical or content update is not a new game, that’s just the way it is.

Here’s what Chat GPT says:

Q: Is a game published by a console manufacturer a first party game?

A: A game published by a console manufacturer is a first party game only if it is also developed by the same company or its subsidiary.

This whole discussion is based on the faint hope that us readers can be gaslighted into thinking that third party exclusives and second party games were first party games all along, so that we can sell the idea that Sony has a solid roadmap that compares to Microsoft’s. Truly, Sony took games made by independant studios away from the other platforms, and called it the Sony 2024 roadmap. My assumption? Sony fans will call them out if they want Sony games, and will stop brainwashing each other to believe that a game that Sony doesn’t own is a Sony game.

[RedSparrows]

Is ChatGPT the dictionary now? I don’t give a stuff for the question, more bemused by the idea a device that literally replies to queries with ‘interpretations may vary’ is used as a reference.

[KakkaKarrotKake]

Y’all are still arguing about this? 1st party, second party, who cares

Yes, Playstation has games coming this year, no, none of them are from the big studios people want/expect to see at this point

Regardless of whether people think they are 1st or third party games most seem to agree it’s a sub par output unless they have things unnannounced

[bof]

@raihous

… Here’s what Chat GPT says: Q: Is a game published by a console manufacturer a first party game? A: A game published by a console manufacturer is a first party game only if it is also developed by the same company or its subsidiary. This whole discussion is based on the faint hope that us readers can be gaslighted into thinking that third party exclusives and second party games were first party games all along, so that we can sell the idea that Sony has a solid roadmap that compares to Microsoft’s. Truly, Sony took games made by independant studios away from the other platforms, and called it the Sony 2024 roadmap. My assumption? Sony fans will call them out if they want Sony games, and will stop brainwashing each other to believe that a game that Sony doesn’t own is a Sony game.

You’re getting tiresome, so I’ll leave you to your warring little world.

[howlingmosquito (mosquito)]

Xbox Game Drought - “Those games dont count”.

Playstation Game Drought - “Those games do count”.

[Andodalf]

@howlingmosquito

Xbox Game Drought - “Those games dont count”.

Playstation Game Drought - “Those games do count”.

This is why people care! During xbox’s “drought” they had games that xbox paid to come to GP day one still. But those “didn’t count”

Sony has games they are paying not to be on xbox, which in no way improves the games for their players… but that does count???

[howlingmosquito (mosquito)]

@Andodalf

Sony has games they are paying not to be on xbox, which in no way improves the games for their players… but that does count???

Playstation has a game drought. No question. The goal posts must flow.

[Saten117]

@howlingmosquito

Playstation has a game drought. No question. The goal posts must flow.

I can’t wait to see what media pundits will say when Xbox publishes double games comparing to PS. And I mean big games, not ones they wouldn’t “count”.