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Some would disagree.

Regardless, excellent means just that. Excellent. Something that excels. Excelling at something does not mean it is amongst the best of the generation at all. That is what masterpieces are. There are lots and lots of excellent games each generation. But very few masterpieces.

Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Ask Michael Bay.

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The game you describe is good game. If a game is excellent, it’s among the best because this is the definition of excellence : it can’t be better. And Cyberpunk, in almost every way could have been a better game.

Word of mouth is really important in video game, if Cyberpunk was excellent, people who played it would recommand it to their friends who will play it because the game have a good word of mouth and it’s not the case for Cyberpunk. Even on PC, excellent game with great word of mouth like TW3 and DOS2 still have 2x more players than Cyberpunk. That not mean everything that sell well is excellent, but everything that excellent sold well. Excellent indie like Hollow Knight or Cuphead who don’t have big marketing campaign sold extrel, Cyberpunk is like the end of Shingeki no Kyojin or GOT season 8, a deception so bad that nobody talk about it one month after.

Excellent is not an opinion on a game, it’s a fact. People like Roronoa here don’t understand that, when you love Bubsy 3D, you must say " I love Bubsy 3D " you don’t say " Bubsy 3D is excellent" because excellence is objective and Bubsy 3D is not excellent.

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/ˈeks(ə)lənt/

adjective

  1. extremely good; outstanding.

“their results are excellent”

From Webster:

" very good of its kind : eminently good"

I have never heard someone use excellent to mean “The best”. Again, it’s all a bit subjective. It’s not a fact as you like to think.

Not sure why I’m even bothering with this. I honestly don’t even care. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

That’s entirely subjective.

Very good point. People often forget how awesome the background systems like physics and AI are in Halo games. It won’t look like the last of us or Horizon Zero Dawn because these systems take much of the resources. But it’s totally worth it and won’t feel as static as some better looking games. Halo 3 remains extremely playable until this day and always feels fresh because of this. Despite this I am sure this game will look amazing when launching. I still think Halo 3 looks beautiful and timeless even if it’s technically not the strongest game of the 360 generation. Art direction ist also a big factor for the overall look of a game and I like what I am seeing so far.

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Prey is excellent and did not sell well. There are many other examples.

Excellence is correlated with good sales, but in no way guarantees them.

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It would not be a Halo game without a controversy.

Do you not remember 640p-gate? Or Lord Hood in all its fullscreen lowres glory? And now in 2021 Halo3

And i would even agree mostly.

I’m also expecting a teaser trailer for Roundhouse’s game. If The Coalition rumors are true about them working on a Star Wars Mandalorian game, then im definitely expecting a teaser trailer announcement for this plus im also expecting Aspyr’s KOTOR remake if it’s exclusive which I would assume would be. InXile is no chance unless what they’ve said about their reveal being years away is complete bullshit and Compulsion at 50/50.

More than new game announcements though, im more hyped to see gameplay for Halo Infinite, Wolfenstein III, Fable, Hellblade 2, Avowed and Starfield.

Speak for yourself. I ONLY care about the single player story campaign and definitely want Ray Tracing.

My definition was for the french word, “excellent " in french mean “excellent” in english and the definition is not the exact same, we use it like the equivalent of " can’t be better”, there is no term upper to excellence to evaluate something here

According to your definition of excellence, to be excellent, a game need to be extremely good and it’s not something we can qualify a game like Bubsy 3D, because gameplay is bad, game is ugly, you can like it but it’s not good

Excellence, good, bad are objective term to define a game I like/love/hate it are subjective term to define your appreciation of a game

For example, Lost soul aside have a very poor audio on the last gameplay we saw, so audio is bad, it’s not a matter of opinion, the sound doesn’t match the action. Instead of Returnal which look like to have a really good utilisation of a precise sound, so the sound of Returnal is good even if you don’t like it.

It’s like saying Spiderman graphics are ugly because you don’t like it, it’s not an opinion, it’s just false

I had an excellent time with Cyberpunk 2077 on my Series X.

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It’s great to see Xbox working with big 3rd party devs like IOI, Kojima Productions and the others they have in the works. Its huge for Xbox because these studios already come with some rep and eyeballs on them.

Deals like these would have been very difficult in the Xbox one era because of the small install base and dev having to develop for just 1 platform but with Xbox now supporting PC and cloud day one it just makes them a much more attractive proposition. It’s just the start of this gen and they seem to have a lot stuff in the works compared to last gen.

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That’s literally the definition of an opinion. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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The Forza Horizon team are so good

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If you don’t like spiderman graphics you say " I don’t like spiderman graphics" not " spiderman graphics are bad" because the first sentence is true and the second is false

I’ve not heard anyone who played Cyberpunk on Series X complaining. Usually the people that have raised a fuss about the Series X generally over the last six months are people who do not have one.

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You sad “ugly” in your example, not “bad”. Either way though, it’s still an opinion. There is no universal metric for what makes graphics good or bad.

You can always found an exception. But Prey, despite his exceptionnal quality in level design/gameplay/art direction was a very poorly optimised game at launch with endless loeding time and with a bad marketing by Bethesda

If there was no universal metric to know if a game look good or bad, Digital foundry woundn’t exist

Ugly, bad, this is the same, it’s not an opinion from me, it’s just fact. A game like Bubsy 3D is ugly, even if someone find it beautiful, the game is still ugly because his opinion is not a fact

You’re confusing your opinions for facts. I don’t think you understand what facts are.

Digital Foundry is more like a mathematical analysis. I don’t have to agree that what they consider to be better actually is. If they say “This game runs at 60fps”, that is a fact. If they say “This game is better because it runs at 60fps”, that is not a fact, it’s an opinion.

Again, there’s no universal metric for what’s good or bad. I often feel like people have shit opinions, but that doesn’t mean that they are factually incorrect in thinking the way they do.

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Games are a mixture of art and technology. The end result is completely subjective.

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