Trying to post on mobile on this site sucks lol.
Basically if you only want to play with a controller, that’s a negative for online pc play.
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Aaah lol that makes more sense yeah and I agree. Input based matchmaking should be more standard in all games and work well but guess we have a long way to go for that.
I honestly don’t play a lot of online games, mostly singleplayer games but sometimes co-op or something like BF, Halo here and there. My buying decision won’t depend on that.
Hnmm, I see. So let’s take this scenario.
I sit down on my couch, and I just want to browse through my games. I cannot do this with the controller in the Game Pass app and Steam? Or is it ideally for mouse but can be done with controller too? I often do this, just going through my library of games with the controller. I guess it’s doable with a wireless mouse too.
There’s just one thing I totally forgot about, and that’s the fact I can’t use game sharing with my brother anymore. When we buy a game (becoming less frequently lately because of backlog) we split the costs, same with Game Pass. But for Game Pass it would still work, right? Just not for the games we bought ourselves.
Ahh if you just wanna use the launcher apps then I do think they’re well adjusted for controller navigation. No worries there. Do check once tho.
I was speaking more non gaming related tasks like Internet browsing, file navigation, DVR, so on for which mouse is just far easier to work with.
I don’t have an Xbox so I’m not as well versed in how game sharing works, and worse I am not sure how that extends to pc gamepass, maybe someone else here can clarify that yeah.
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It seems more and more that PC is absolutely the way to go for gaming. The biggest thing holding me back though is games not running properly; I fully admit that it’s been quite a while but I had so many bad experiences with bugs, having to futz with ini files, and games just plain refusing to launch that the idea of going back to PC gives me the screaming heebie-jeebies. It’s not as though consoles never have problems but it does feel like problems crop up much less frequently.
My thinking is that I already spend all day troubleshooting and solving issues, I don’t want to have to deal with that shit when it’s time to relax. It is becoming harder and harder to resist though 
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So let’s say I were to spend what you said on a PC, either by building one myself or buying one. There’s always going to be a limit to what settings I can enable and still enjoy a stable 60fps or higher, right? So there’s always going to be some tinkering with settings to see which ones can be set to medium or low or even off to get a stable experience.
There’s just so many settings available in pc games, damn, haha.
Exactly saying what I wanted to say in my very first post. That stuff back then was not fun. A game would give some weird error when starting it. Had to Google the error, find comments on forums and see if there was advice and then try that. Man I remember I had bought Rainbow Six Raven Shield, back when R6 was truly amazing and I had the newest Radeon videocard and all that stuff, and it ran like shit.
I’m definitely gonna need that guarantee that this doesn’t happen anymore or just not often before I ever make this decision, lmao. I do recall reading some comments back on ResetEra when I still was on there that some newly released Xbox games just didn’t run great on their top of the line PC.
I’m sure that things have improved since I last tried PC gaming in like…2007, but on the other hand my buddy bought Deathloop on PC day 1 and had it crash on startup 100% of the time. He tried a bunch of things and one of them worked but he doesn’t know which orz
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Oh boy, that is exactly the kind of nonsense I remember from back then. On consoles you have the certainty…most of the time that the game will just start up. It CAN crash/freeze, but thankfully that is not what is guaranteed to always happen.
Yesss you can completely tailor the experience for yourself.
I for example played cyberpunk 2077 with awful optimization during launch on 45fps average, using 80% dynamic resolution scaling cuz I wanted to have a mix of medium to high settings and that’s the framerate my standard gtx 1060 could put out for the settings I chose. I could have easily put everything on low and gotten 60+ fps but I could fine tune for what I wanted from the game and what I was OK with. If it meant I got a gorgeous looking and feeling experience at slightly lower resolution than my monitor, then I was good.
A lot of people like to insinuate about pc players that they’re not very tolerant to concessions, it’s not entirely true. It’s born out of the “60fps or bust” mentality that’s more prevalent in pc userbase, but I think a lot of people are now realising why once you go 60 it just really sucks trying to play anything lower. But you can still choose to make that decision for yourself. The concessions are in our control to a greater degree on pc. You get to decide what you’re fine with losing to get what you want more of to a granular level that console simply doesn’t give. This doesn’t mean you spend ages in the setting tweaking it and so on. You don’t need to do that. And once you get familiar with playing games on pc, you know what settings to tweak and what to leave. Digital foundry also do amazing pc settings recommendations recently for all the big games that come out, and if not digital foundry there shall be others for games not featured on it but you still wanna know recommendations for.
Makes a lot of sense yeah.
Myself I’m on a 65 inch OLED, I sit 2.5m from it, I’ll want the cleanest, crispest picture you can imagine and with 60fps. Above is a great bonus in my opinion, but all the visual bells and whistles first and if I can still have a framerate above 60…great!
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Oh yeah, I do want to be fair though and am hoping that someone with more direct experience like @Ruthwik_Rao can weigh in on this. I do want to be fair, and would love to hear that I’m overblowing things 
And again in the interest of fairness, this happened on my Series X a few months ago:
Pros
- power, flexibility
- online is free
- modding
- more options for game purchases
- wider selection than just an Xbox
Cons
- PC GamePass isn’t as good
- hardware prices
- hardware prices
- HARDWARE PRICES.
Seriously. I can’t build as good a PC today as I could in 2017 for the same price. It’s crazy. And actually driving me the other direction, I increased my PC gaming a lot during the Xbox One generation. Now I’m just limping it along for Total War and the occasional indie. Moving on from my 1070 and 6700k would cost a small fortune.
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Yeaaah.
So I see that you want a console like couch experience from a pc, and with a 4k TV as the display source. I know 1080p would look dogshit on a TV that big, so 1440p would be a decent midway point you could get used to, if you really aren’t that big on wanting native 4k on every game you play. If you are, then buying a more expensive card makes sense. Otherwise I think it’ll be fine it’s not like the consoles are giving native 4k on most games anyway. And with tech like DLSS becoming more standard, playing native 4k will be just needless to even consider.
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Literally me lmao.
I built my current pc is 2017. And now I wanna upgrade and I just can’t. Its horrible for us out here. 
At the time ram prices were super inflated, and we were mad at that.
Now I wish we could go back to that at least.
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The pros:
Steam has an incredibly library of indie games, double AA games and triple AAA games. It allows their users to buy from 3rd party key retailers, which lets you activate games on steam from other storefronts. This means that games are always on sale on PC depending on where you shop (cdkeys.com, greenmangaming etc.)
PC straight up has the largest library of games available
Steam shows you the amount of time you’ve put into a game. On Xbox it’s up to the developers to show you, and it’s more likely that Xbox hours will bug out and not record how long you’ve been playing. I like to keep track of this to make sure I’m getting value out of the games I’m playing.
PC gamers are vocal, it’s the largest gaming community. They are passionate, if something goes wrong with a developer update to a game they’ll speak up.
The cons:
Some games run worse than others, some games run better.
If you work on the same PC you game on, you might be dissuaded from gaming as often because it’ll be the same space you work on.
Sometimes you might have to upgrade your PC parts earlier than you were anticipating.
Conclusion: I’m cool with PC gaming. I’ve got a PC and a Series S and lately I’ve been coming back to PC gaming. I’m also starting to learn that Xbox achievements don’t really matter if Microsoft isn’t going to take the time to make improvements.
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Here’s a positive for PC I’m not sure anyone mentioned: I’m not endorsing it but it is possible to play Switch games, and better than native too from what I’ve heard. With MS first-party being day 1 and Sony warming to the idea of porting their first-party games as well (good ports too, I think), PC really seems to be the best place if you have a big and varied appetite 
Edit: Most VR too, I imagine.
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Lots of good stuff here, lots to think about for sure.
Just need to find out now if my Game Pass Ultimate sub for the next three years works for PC too. So when for example Starfield comes out I’ll just play it via PC Game Pass.
The games we bought on Xbox though, those I’ll need to finish on my Xbox.
I have like 1500 euros that I can spend on anything now, but it’s not just a decision to make so easily. I’ll go do some good thinking on it. Maybe even just wait it out a little, see how the first actual Xbox Series games look and perform before making that decision too.
But man, there are plenty of pros. Older games like Deus Ex MD which never got One X enhanced just don’t look too hot on XSX and with 30fps, on PC you can have it however you want, same goes for RDR. I’d have to rebuy the games ,but I’m sure I’d find a good price.
Game Pass Ultimate includes PC Game Pass, I’m pretty sure. Sadly, only games you bought that are Play Anywhere should be available in your PC library. Might still be more than you think, I was surprised to have this many:
Yeah, that isn’t necessarily a big problem. I would just finish them on my XSX and grab all the Xbox exclusives from the PC Game Pass. But one reason to NOT sell the XSX (if it’s ever gonna come to that) is because like you guys here said…PC Game Pass isn’t as great as Xbox Game Pass. This month may have been very meh, there have been plenty good ones.
So it’s definitely another thingy.
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