Halo |OT| Master Chief's Breath of the Wild Moment (Part 1)

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Zappy5

Early access is interesting. But I think more detrimental to a game like Halo Infinite - given spoilers etc…than FH5.

Wonder how this works - EA to campaign and MP or just campaign? I’d prefer just campaign so I have a few days to play it before I get into the MP…

Neither should have early access. Period. It better be only for previews, reviews, and streamers maybe.

[CrazyNomad (Maikon)]

I bought the xbox series X halo edition AND the halo infinite collectors steelbook edition… hope the steelbook edition come with this “early bundle” version

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@CrazyNomad

I bought the xbox series X halo edition AND the halo infinite collectors steelbook edition… hope the steelbook edition come with this “early bundle” version

I hope there is no “early bundle” that anyone can pay for. That would just stink, a story component AND competitive multiplayer shouldn’t have early access to the general public. Maybe as said for pre/reviews.

[Mostlyharmless]

@mr_sexy

Now that we’ve seen the campaign gameplay, do we have anything to say about this?

Idk. Ask the dev I quoted not me.

[Mostlyharmless]

To be honest I hate “early access”. Especially when it’s tied to a upgraded version of the game.

I’m already a game pass ultimate subscriber. If the multiplayer has early access for gamepass subscribers than great I could be all for that. But if they are trying to make people like us who already pay 180$ bucks a year to them fork over some more to play the game a few days earlier I just don’t like it. I think giving it to gamepass users 4-7 days early could be smart marketing for gamepass and allow them to ease into the release. Idk we will see what happens, just over a month to go… so close now.

[javycane (Javier Ruiz)]

@Mostlyharmless

But if they are trying to make people like us who already pay 180$ bucks a year to them fork over some more to play the game a few days earlier I just don’t like it.

Then dont pay for it just like how Im not doing it for Forza and didnt do if for Gears

[Zappy5]

@Ruthwik_Rao

we have no idea if this is gonna be made available for the public or just press/reviewers

Yep agree - we don’t know its a thing - was just speculating.

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@javycane

Then dont pay for it just like how Im not doing it for Forza and didnt do if for Gears

It’s ultimately a non-issue with FH5. But with Halo and now that you mentioned it, Gears, it has implications on the integrity of the competitive ladder AND the story being experienced before by those who pay more. It’s not a clean way of doing things and I hope to hold Xbox to higher standards when it comes to this, as these things also target the gullible with uncontrollable spending habits, even if we overlook the possibility of disjointing the playerbase to some extents. Yes, I watch Jim Sterling and I agree with him. Make your money other ways please, MS.

[Zappy5]

@Mostlyharmless

To be honest I hate “early access”. Especially when it’s tied to a upgraded version of the game.

I’m already a game pass ultimate subscriber. If the multiplayer has early access for gamepass subscribers than great I could be all for that. But if they are trying to make people like us who already pay 180$ bucks a year to them fork over some more to play the game a few days earlier I just don’t like it. I think giving it to gamepass users 4-7 days early could be smart marketing for gamepass and allow them to ease into the release. Idk we will see what happens, just over a month to go… so close now.

I don’t get this. You are talking like GPU isn’t an absolutely immense deal. Like ‘wow MS I already pay you $180 for nothing’. No you don’t you play them that money for essentially a lifetime’s supply of free games. And good games. I understand the complaint MORE when you are charging £70 for a new game AND then another £20 on top for the early access version. because that’s your £180 a year gone with two games. But in this instance I think you’re saying the service they provide which is almost universally described as ‘insane value’ isn’t good enough IF they offer a paid early access route for games. I fundamentally disagree with that.

I’m not paying for FH5 EA because I can wait. Its not like the game is an unknown. I probably would pay it for Halo but that’s how it goes. Its my choice. It doesn’t make me in any way unhappy at subbing to GPU.

[Ruthwik_Rao]

@javycane

Then dont pay for it just like how Im not doing it for Forza and didnt do if for Gears

not at all comparable. No one playing FH5 on 5th November will go and spoil “yoooo yall gotta try this new 2020 Supra, Nov 9th folks missing out” lmao, Halo is different, it has a story campaign. I really hope MS doesn’t do early access for campaign, that would fucking suck.

Also didn’t Ultimate users get Gears 5 a few days earlier than its official release too?

[Mostlyharmless]

@DARK-PARADISE

It’s ultimately a non-issue with FH5. But with Halo and now that you mentioned it, Gears, it has implications on the integrity of the competitive ladder AND the story being experienced before by those who pay more. It’s not a clean way of doing things and I hope to hold Xbox to higher standards when it comes to this, as these things also target the gullible with uncontrollable spending habits, even if we overlook the possibility of disjointing the playerbase to some extents. Yes, I watch Jim Sterling and I agree with him. Make your money other ways please, MS.

I pretty much agree with this. I don’t think it’s fair to ask your users to spend 40-60 extra bucks to play a game 5 days early. I think it takes advantage of your most loyal fans IMO. Forza’s ultimates come with huge dlc so I can understand that a bit, kind of like extra incentives.

So if halos comes with huge dlc’s that would otherwise be paid I can live with it. Or if it’s just for gamepass users to play multiplayer that’s fine. But if it costs an extra 40$ just for early access and some “exclusive cosmetics”, than I don’t like it.

This is all speculation we will see what happens.

[RelloK]

Halo

[BlackheartVinyl]

Spartan Scrub

[Stefrah]

Is there anything 343i can do to make money off the game people would be OK with?

We’ve had the outrage that they want to make money off some cosmetic elements that were previously included in the price … in a MP suite they are giving away for free…

Now we have outrage over early access to a campaign they are letting any Game Pass subscriber play at no additional cost…

From my point of view (sorry Microsoft) I’m not paying anything. I don’t care about cosmetics and I can live with waiting to play the campaign until release day (and I don’t get the ‘it’s impossible to avoid spoilers’ shtick, it’s entirely possible).

But I don’t begrudge 343i attempts to make money off this effort.

[DARK-PARADISE]

@Stefrah

Is there anything 343i can do to make money off the game people would be OK with?

This is more on Microsoft than 343i tbh.

[Stefrah]

@DARK-PARADISE

This is more on Microsoft than 343i tbh.

Well, swap ‘343i’ for ‘MS’ then.

I can’t think of a game of this scope and budget being quite so generous.

The MP is free for anyone. The Campaign is included in Game Pass. They are even giving MP perks away to Game Pass subs.

I think it’s understandable that they are looking for ways to get a bit more income off the thing.

It’s not like Nintendo paywalling fast travel behind an amiibo. It’s cosmetics, early access. You can pay nothing (as I intend to) and get the same gameplay experience. But the choice is there if you want it.

What’s the big deal?

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@Stefrah

It’s not like Nintendo paywalling fast travel behind an amiibo. It’s cosmetics, early access.

Believe me I don’t think Nintendo is any better, and they get away with that stuff easily. But Xbox fans have shown their voices are heard IF they demand better enough.

@Stefrah

What’s the big deal?

• It’s not ‘clean’ and targets the gullible with uncontrollable spending habits. This should not be ignored by Microsoft who should prioritize these matters that can blend into social issues as well.

• For the type of game that is Halo, on both its Story AND competitive multiplayer pillars, it affects the playerbase.

That’s just my opinion. I think there could better better ways to monetize instead of this.

[Ruthwik_Rao]

@Stefrah

Now we have outrage over early access to a campaign they are letting any Game Pass subscriber play at no additional cost …

Wait where is it said that gamepass subscribers are having early access?

[Stefrah]

@Ruthwik_Rao

Wait where is it said that gamepass subscribers are having early access?

I meant Game Pass subs are getting the campaign at no additional cost, not that they are getting early access.

[Stefrah]

@DARK-PARADISE

• It’s not ‘clean’ and targets the gullible with uncontrollable spending habits. This should not be ignored by Microsoft who should prioritize these matters that can blend into social issues as well.

• For the type of game that is Halo, on both its Story AND competitive multiplayer pillars, it affects the playerbase.

That’s just my opinion. I think there could better better ways to monetize instead of this.

How?

I’m interested to know what people would be OK with.

To me, what they seem to have selected – armour/weapon customisation, early access – are the least egregious things you could pick. Neither affects the core gameplay experience. They aren’t paywalling content or core features.

You say it targets the gullible? Not really. It’s just an option for those that see value in such things. Personally speaking, I don’t care what colour my spartan is, and it’s not a big deal if someone else gets the campaign a few days before me. If I cared about those things, I’d pay for them and feel no guilt. It’s my money, I can do what I want with it.

I 100% agree about gamers demanding better when what they are offered is bad, I just don’t see how this actually is bad.

What would be a better way for MS to make money off the game? I can’t think of less consequential things.